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and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

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you know there's explanation for

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everything that occurred in the

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Rendlesham forest incident it doesn't

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involve aliens at all it was completely

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silent it comes right over our head

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it's so a classic flying-saucer really

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standing in the clearing he turned over

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to my father and held his hand and he

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looked in his eyes and said we're not

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that's it for me Alejandro how's it

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going I am well how are you good good

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it's up you know it's nice and green up

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here on top of the mountain it's nice it

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said in the 80s today

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pretty warm really yeah yeah I mean what

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it's been it was like in the 70s it's

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going to be in the 80s here which is

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really cool so it's really nice for us

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yeah

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things called black flies on our link

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they are terrible

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it's like a cloud you have to I actually

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have like a screen thing I have to wear

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if I'm doing garden work so I can't wait

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you have these flies the other call

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black flies they bite Wow

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just big swarms of them come around you

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it's really all a moly it sounds awful

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that's right and I had an alien Veit

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invasion last night I had a pincher

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beetle over two and a half inches long

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and somehow was running around my house

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last night I got picking a little bit

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looks very very alien like really yeah

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invasion Wow so what's going on with

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your stuff that's way more scary than

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the desert man I have add nothing at my

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wow just lots of quail running around

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they're cute little guys and yeah so

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homestead no invasions of any sort so

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that's good yeah hey you have a lot of

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coyotes out there though right because I

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remembers you yeah seeing someone I was

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out there at your conference so that

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probably takes care of a lot of the

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at the conference it's a little more you

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know rural at least it's they're spaced

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around so you can often hear them

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singing at night which is cool and and

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can hear that sometimes so yeah that's

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coyotes yeah yeah and even a couple Road

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was one there was one at your conference

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Oh was out yes yeah we were chasing it

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around not really chasing around but

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watching it you know it gets really

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me me back Carol they don't make that no

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in there mm-hmm so what's going on with

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UFO news what's going on with UFOs so we

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have kind of a cool story here and and

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I think a UK tabloid picked it up a UK

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doublet and and it got pretty popular

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but we have it straight from the source

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and the good thing is I'll let your

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listeners in on a secret these move on

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stories that we post we post the entire

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story for people to see for free whereas

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if you go to MUFON com

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you're only going to see a picture or

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don't get the full story you have to

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actually be a MUFON member and pay to

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get the full story but that or you can

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come to our house and get full or our

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website yeah our house I like that it's

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our house you get the full story so

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here's the full story on this and so

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this is a siding it's a video by a

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British bus driver so this bus driver

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work this is about 941 p.m. on April

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upcoming wedding on the phone when he

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freaks out he saw this that these lights

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that he said were in a triangular

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pattern rotating on its axis and

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wobbling slightly it's how we explained

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thing on video so it's not towards the

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end till you can see these three lights

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lanterns like it's a possibility I

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being late because he was looking at

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these UFOs or whatever they were so it's

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it is a guy by the way I seen it I have

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cuss quite a bit and that's because I

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know exactly why is because the

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streetlights keep up getting his iPhone

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out of focus you know keeps focusing on

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the street lights automatically so he's

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running around and he goes I can't

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pretty decent pretty interesting one I

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think that's one of the best UFO stories

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we've gotten in a while not UFO

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submissions so yeah that's a good one so

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you know actually I want to talk about a

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couple of headlines that came up today

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day and there was a couple interesting

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ones that were posted today by friends

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of ours one by Lee Spiegel posted a

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story I don't know if you saw this but

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essentially we busted Pravda uh with

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yellow shopping a picture and claiming

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that there is a UFOs in there this is a

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Russian the Russian one with a son yes

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government so it is a you know it's

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the kings of it so that's what's hard

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Russian news reporting but yeah they

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these dots on it and claiming there's

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UFOs so Lee did some research into this

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and he found that it's the picture they

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original picture which he found so he's

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saying hey you guys you're faking crud

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which is entirely possible because I

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don't know like recently prob that in

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the last year or two has and Russia

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today uh they featured UFO people from

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the United States that are often quite

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dubious so they've picked up on the

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six stories why I don't know if there's

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there could be intentions behind it that

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are there are more you know orchestrated

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or have more of an effect than

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attempting to have more in effect than

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we thought I mean I think that it's

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possible they're trying to undermine you

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know people's NASA's credibility which I

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think stories like this help do but the

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UK tabloids have been doing this sort of

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stuff for these last few years - right

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and I think their only intention is to

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get more clicks that's the reason they

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have bikini girls all over their

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websites and everything or less you know

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they're all about getting clicks and I

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think that their click baiting but it's

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interesting yeah it's kind of cool that

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liro destroying all them out do you

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think that it's is it possible that they

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may have been sent the image by someone

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and took it for you know face barely

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possible yeah I mean that's usually what

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the UK tabloids you they just go out to

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these sites that post sensational stuff

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and and take their stuff and post it

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they don't do any vetting they don't

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figure out if it's fake or not they just

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say you know UFO expert Jimmy Joe UFO

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hoax or says this is real and and they

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put stay so that's entirely possible but

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at least from what we have Leedy feels

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that it could have been prompted

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themselves who did this so hard to say

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but I night that's a great thought

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because I wonder that myself hmm so

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anything else happening yeah another

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interesting one is from Nick Polk so

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Nick Pope wrote a article for at a new

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site in the UK called I news and his

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article was how would we fare in an

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alien evasion invasion and essentially

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he is a kind of piggybacking off of what

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we talked about I think last week was a

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Ridley Scott we've got a story on that

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on our site as well but Ridley Scott

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talking about how you know aliens are

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kind of bad we should run for it if you

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a UFO and I don't know you know some

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people do some people don't so people

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try to get a video of it but essentially

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yeah he kind of write about his thoughts

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on all of this so it's kind of cool do

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you think that there's something in

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place in any government like in case we

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get invaded you know this is the steps

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that we should take or do you think that

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would be caught completely by surprise

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there by think tanks just because you

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know the government will ask think tanks

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to do this for them to come up with

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different scenarios so that they have

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these protocols in these plans to call

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upon just in case something happens

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have they asked for this sort of thing I

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don't know for sure I mean it would be

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interesting there might be some people

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who would know Nick Pope would be

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someone to ask he says there's no real

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plans but sometimes these think tanks

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just as an exercise will use these sorts

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of things so over the years because they

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do so much of all of this I would

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imagine that something tank has has kind

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of come up with a plan over kind of

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thought about this and just just as an

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exercise you know for what the heck at

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it I think you know keeps them thinking

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and I you know gets an exercise for them

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to get together and talk and discuss in

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research so it's possible I wouldn't

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doubt that there was some kind of plan

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out there somewhere wouldn't that be

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fascinating to talk to someone that was

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you know part of a think-tank that

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actually went through this process to me

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I think well there are there is a book

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out there and it's really interesting we

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tried to get the guy one of the guys who

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wrote the book to come to our conference

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and maybe I'll try that again there were

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two people who wrote the book and I

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can't remember the details right now but

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I remember one of the guys was it

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but on this sort of thing not just

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aliens but overall coming up with plans

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and so they wrote a book about this what

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would we do if there's an alien invasion

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and kind of stuff and and these were

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both people who are in the field who

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come up with these sorts of plans for

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the government so that book I think is

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the best thing I've seen out there I

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can't remember what the book is people

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can google it and look for that

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innovation book of course you're going

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to find a lot of weird stuff out there

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so you're right

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but yeah there is one book serious book

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out there where they took a look in fact

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during the time when I was trying to get

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this guy to our conference he was on a

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television show some television show

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about you know weapons and defense and

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stuff like that so he was super busy at

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the time but I don't know if that shows

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on anymore that's why maybe it could hit

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him up again but yeah I I don't know if

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I have a copy of that book I'll have to

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look at my desk here and figure that out

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but I remember I was attempting to get a

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copy at one point huh Wow how about that

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so is that it for it for the news you

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can find all of those stories on the

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front page of open minds that TV and um

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Thank You Martin so much for having me

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on well and I can't I owe you a big

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thank you as well sir thanks so much

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yeah watch out for those aliens although

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I think they're actually just bugs I

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think so too

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all right all right you take care and

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I'll talk to you next week talk to you

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later

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all right everyone hang in there for

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this quick music break and we'll be

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right back with John D'Souza

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hey hello everyone before I get started

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here I wanted to make a couple of quick

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announcements thank you for joining the

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show and that is well in the chat right

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now is our blog writer from India

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there's a brand new blog up just went up

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the other day a great one it's basically

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UFOs over India this goes back to

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ancient times really well written also

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we had to make a change this week our

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Monday everything else show with Edwards

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seemed a was switched up for Friday

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because he's actually on some Island

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celebrate celebrating his wife's 70th

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birthday forgot all about that

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so that show is going to come up on

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Friday evening so check that out the

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everything else show you get to it from

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our website podcast UFO and that's it

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it's time for me to introduce our guest

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John D'Souza former FBI and he has

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written a book and we're going to be

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talking about that and a lot more

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welcome to the show

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John Thank You Martin thank you so much

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so nice to be here you and your

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listeners viewers it's really a really

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yes well great great I know you found me

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I believe I believe that you actually

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wrote me an email and it's always good

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when people reach out in that way I'm

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just trying to change the chat that you

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and I were using on the video here hang

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on just a minute some reason showing

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over to the side and I can't get rid of

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it I'd rather you take the whole screen

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over and I don't know how to change that

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so can you start I'm going to work on

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that can you start by telling the

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audience a little bit about your

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background and I got you interested you

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had a sighting early but basically just

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we want to know who you are so go ahead

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if you would yes for your viewers my

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name is John D'Souza I was a special

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agent in the FBI for over 20 years

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during that time I worked mostly

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counterterrorism investigations or

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or file investigations the Unabomber the

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World Trade Center bombing of 93 and

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9/11 terrorist acts that occurred and

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many others violent crimes also but also

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during my time in the FBI I also was

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collected a lot of what I call the real

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x-files and I share those with people in

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my books today also what also I was I'm

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an investigator that I believe has a

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greater objectivity in paranormal events

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and the reason for that is because I

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have seen both sides of the equation for

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instance when I was was about and this

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is related in my books like the

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extradimensional when I was about nine

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years old I had a couple of experiences

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that really opened up my eyes I had a

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kind of observation experience I was

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those nine was growing up in New York

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City I was with my parents out in New

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York City night on a big rental hall

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where few hundred B people gathered for

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a wedding reception and it was for me

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and a lot of other little kids it wasn't

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very entertaining for us inside there so

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at about 1:00 in the morning

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it was probably way past her bedtime

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that any of us had ever stayed up to

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that point and we spilled out into the

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streets

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it was late it was the middle of the

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city of New York City Manhattan and

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there were basically no cars out there

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no nothing and we ran I ran we were

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playing a group got very spirited one of

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the kids had me hit me in the stomach so

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now I went down on the sidewalk one of

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the kids yelled out he's really hurt and

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so they did they all just took off

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running and they ran back to the rental

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home where we came from and I was left

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her by myself I was staring up at -

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between two of the tallest buildings I'd

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ever seen - that point

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and it was a very starry night that was

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stars everywhere except in this space

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about these two buildings and I looked

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up and I just kept seeing a black space

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up between these two tall buildings and

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there were no stars and if you look like

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sort of like an ink black ink cloud like

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the kind of squid would give off in the

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water to try to grab it and I kept

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looking at that and suddenly up the sky

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at this and suddenly from the bottom of

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this blackish cloud emerged lights the

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whites coming up and our vehicle UFO

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vehicle came out of the bottom that

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thing and started coming towards me and

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so I was by this I was on my feet and

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just looking up at it and it was

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proceeding down towards me very slowly

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and I was looking up and it I felt like

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a spotlight came over me and I felt like

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I don't know like ass perception of this

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vehicle that it was intelligent alive

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however conscious however you want to

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phrase that and two girls two teenage

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girls appeared on my left and they were

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screaming their heads off so I know

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somebody else was seeing it as well and

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they were screaming that one of them

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screaming world is might be ending

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little boy you better run home grabbity

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they were hugging each other looking up

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at this thing screaming then they

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disappeared and then I was still looking

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at the thing as it was approaching and I

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took it was like we both change our

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minds at the same time I took a step

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back and the thing reversed course and

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just went back up and basically like a

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cartoon character jumped in the hole

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pulls a hole in after it this thing went

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back up into the cloud the cloud was

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gone I can see the stars again up there

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and I just took off at that point I took

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off went back to the hall where my

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parents were and I just tried to explain

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to them what happened and they were not

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happy to hear about it in public that's

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for sure

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so later on at home and went a little

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better and but not much better and that

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was my that was my first great

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experience before you move the whole you

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move on from that up did you talk about

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this a lot in your life or did you did

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your parents kind of make you feel bad

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about that like uh

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did they did they believe you not it not

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at all my my mom did believe me my mom

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was a was a person that was able to

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speak to me in terms that I could

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understand and she gave me a briefing

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basically on the importance of not

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talking to not revealing this sort of

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thing to certain people or in front of

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certain people because there would be

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negative consequences and she never told

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me what those negative consequences were

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but I took her meaning and I understood

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she said these these sorts of themes

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these sort of things you can talk about

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with certain people but you cannot

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discuss them in open air in front of

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general public because it will turn out

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that's not right now you're talking

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about now you know this part where the

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two teenage girls said to you the the

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world is where the world is ending that

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is something that I've actually heard a

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number of people say that's like the

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first thought that goes through

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someone's head a lot of times when

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during a major sighting so I find that

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pretty interesting that strange that you

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say that because yeah that was the first

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thing and then what's funny is those

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after that young lady said that I

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realize how important it was that she

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was that they were there because it is

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actually confirmed that other people

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were seeing it but more importantly they

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after that they disappeared and people

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ask me sometimes

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did they or they take him how did they

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did or did they run away and I really

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don't have any idea because they were I

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didn't I never looked back I just knew

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that they were gone

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weren't there anything about yeah so

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yeah that end-of-the-world comment

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that's that's funny yes yeah when your

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paradigm is ripped out completely that

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is the first thought many people have

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yeah it's true and so uh so you somehow

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you get into the FBI which is uh which

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is like kind of a dream I would consider

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kind of a dream job and heart very hard

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to get a loop so how did all that how

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did it lead how did your life lead to

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that once I was in the FBI because I I

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became an attorney and I didn't I wasn't

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really interested in practice of law but

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I knew that that was one of the

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categories that FBI enjoyed the FBI

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likes very much so it helped me also to

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get into to become an FBI special agent

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and once I became an FBI special agent

541
00:25:52,370 --> 00:25:50,160
weed I had a couple of I had a couple of

542
00:25:54,110 --> 00:25:52,380
more experiences I thought I was done

543
00:25:58,550 --> 00:25:54,120
with paranormal experiences but I did

544
00:26:04,730 --> 00:25:58,560
have some and the first great experience

545
00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:04,740
I had of the paranormal was when 9/11

546
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:07,310
happened well had to know before

547
00:26:13,730 --> 00:26:11,010
including before 9/11 happened and that

548
00:26:15,170 --> 00:26:13,740
was the experience that I had one with

549
00:26:18,350 --> 00:26:15,180
many other law enforcement officers

550
00:26:20,330 --> 00:26:18,360
about the indigo kids of 9/11 which I

551
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:20,340
write about in my first book the para

552
00:26:26,660 --> 00:26:23,130
investigators and that was basically the

553
00:26:30,050 --> 00:26:26,670
story of kids all over the country as

554
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:30,060
young as young as four or five years old

555
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:33,840
going all the way up to about this was

556
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:37,290
pious eleven eleven to twelve years old

557
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:40,490
kids all over the country who had these

558
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:43,890
experiences in the weeks before 9/11

559
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:46,770
happened where they were having they had

560
00:26:55,010 --> 00:26:50,810
visions they had experiences and Precog

561
00:26:57,850 --> 00:26:55,020
experiences of what would happen on 9/11

562
00:27:02,240 --> 00:26:57,860
and these kids were reported by

563
00:27:04,580 --> 00:27:02,250
caretakers and babysitters school

564
00:27:07,070 --> 00:27:04,590
drivers parents wouldn't report their

565
00:27:08,690 --> 00:27:07,080
own kids but after 9/11 happened there

566
00:27:11,390 --> 00:27:08,700
was this big see something say something

567
00:27:13,970 --> 00:27:11,400
campaign and so anything they could have

568
00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:13,980
any sort of relation any possible

569
00:27:19,250 --> 00:27:17,340
relation to the terrorist acts had to be

570
00:27:22,820 --> 00:27:19,260
reported and had to be investigated all

571
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:22,830
the way out and so we had and I can tell

572
00:27:28,910 --> 00:27:26,370
you for instance I had a we had a little

573
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:28,920
girl who was on a playground and wasn't

574
00:27:33,290 --> 00:27:30,810
playing with the other kids one day and

575
00:27:35,930 --> 00:27:33,300
she was just sitting there in her little

576
00:27:37,370 --> 00:27:35,940
skirt and sitting in the dirt and kind

577
00:27:40,430 --> 00:27:37,380
of tracing something with her finger

578
00:27:42,380 --> 00:27:40,440
teacher comes over sister are you okay

579
00:27:45,380 --> 00:27:42,390
so you're what do you want you all right

580
00:27:48,110 --> 00:27:45,390
and the little girl says oh no I'm fine

581
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:48,120
I'm just thinking and the teacher goes

582
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:50,970
to walk away little girl pulls on her

583
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:54,000
skirt violently and says to her

584
00:27:59,090 --> 00:27:57,090
Toro make sure you stay away from tall

585
00:28:01,670 --> 00:27:59,100
buildings his tall building sometimes

586
00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:01,680
fall down and they sometimes they fall

587
00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:06,510
on people so that was one you know

588
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:08,310
teacher probably walked away just chalk

589
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:10,410
it up to too much sugar let's know there

590
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:12,240
was a little boy doing an arts and

591
00:28:17,330 --> 00:28:14,850
crafts and this is in on my facebook on

592
00:28:20,180 --> 00:28:17,340
the trailer for my book the pyro

593
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:20,190
investigators there's a little boy who's

594
00:28:24,410 --> 00:28:21,930
doing arts and crafts he's afraid of

595
00:28:27,170 --> 00:28:24,420
paintings he's painting in his class

596
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:27,180
very happily there and teacher comes

597
00:28:32,780 --> 00:28:31,200
over and says to him so oh this is very

598
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:32,790
beautiful painting painting these two

599
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:35,010
tall buildings and they appear to be

600
00:28:39,530 --> 00:28:37,500
cooling it's very it's very beautiful

601
00:28:41,450 --> 00:28:39,540
and you have angels flying out of the

602
00:28:43,550 --> 00:28:41,460
buildings with these red wings and

603
00:28:46,370 --> 00:28:43,560
little boy said those buildings aren't

604
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:46,380
glowing those buildings are on fire and

605
00:28:49,670 --> 00:28:48,690
those people aren't angels they're

606
00:28:51,980 --> 00:28:49,680
people

607
00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:51,990
those wings those they're on fire and

608
00:28:56,750 --> 00:28:53,700
they're jumping out of these buildings

609
00:28:59,120 --> 00:28:56,760
so teacher just walks away from kid like

610
00:29:02,270 --> 00:28:59,130
that again just doesn't think about it

611
00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:02,280
again until something happens there's

612
00:29:07,460 --> 00:29:04,920
another little boy woke up apparently

613
00:29:08,649 --> 00:29:07,470
didn't sleep very much in the days

614
00:29:11,369 --> 00:29:08,659
before 9/11

615
00:29:14,739 --> 00:29:11,379
and wakes up on a school bus and he's

616
00:29:16,869 --> 00:29:14,749
screaming screaming about building being

617
00:29:19,659 --> 00:29:16,879
on fire and people burned the line and

618
00:29:22,930 --> 00:29:19,669
the school bus driver wakes him wakes

619
00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:22,940
him up and kid goes to school like

620
00:29:28,419 --> 00:29:24,710
nothing happened now all of these

621
00:29:31,479 --> 00:29:28,429
incidences were seen by adults and the

622
00:29:34,539 --> 00:29:31,489
kind of didn't really put much stock in

623
00:29:37,629 --> 00:29:34,549
it until 9/11 happen and then they

624
00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:37,639
remembered these incidences and they

625
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:38,840
reported the man so they actually

626
00:29:44,190 --> 00:29:40,399
reported these to the FBI

627
00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:44,200
these are yet to task forces and in

628
00:29:51,969 --> 00:29:48,710
these task forces that makes up FBI and

629
00:29:54,399 --> 00:29:51,979
police departments and other state state

630
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:54,409
departments there's there's these task

631
00:29:59,320 --> 00:29:56,330
force's had members from all

632
00:30:02,469 --> 00:29:59,330
jurisdictions in them and so big

633
00:30:06,099 --> 00:30:02,479
strapping police often forcement

634
00:30:09,849 --> 00:30:06,109
officers with guns had to go out and had

635
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:09,859
to antenna interview not to say not to

636
00:30:13,570 --> 00:30:11,450
say interrogate they had to interview

637
00:30:16,529 --> 00:30:13,580
these little kids and get them to

638
00:30:20,409 --> 00:30:16,539
remember these very often traumatic

639
00:30:22,570 --> 00:30:20,419
dreams and visions that a lot of times

640
00:30:25,299 --> 00:30:22,580
these kids had to really be reminded

641
00:30:27,159 --> 00:30:25,309
that this even happened because it

642
00:30:29,529 --> 00:30:27,169
didn't really it didn't really connect

643
00:30:31,089 --> 00:30:29,539
to anything in their minds and so yeah

644
00:30:33,729 --> 00:30:31,099
they had to be they had to be

645
00:30:35,529 --> 00:30:33,739
interviewed thoroughly oh the parents

646
00:30:38,969 --> 00:30:35,539
helped of course and they had to be and

647
00:30:41,979 --> 00:30:38,979
the whole thing the whole lead

648
00:30:45,009 --> 00:30:41,989
investigation had to be run out for any

649
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:45,019
possible connection to terrorism in

650
00:30:49,779 --> 00:30:47,450
other words did these kids overhear

651
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:49,789
something maybe did they overhear you

652
00:30:54,879 --> 00:30:52,159
know parents that were in league with

653
00:30:57,099 --> 00:30:54,889
some terrorists somewhere and you know

654
00:30:59,940 --> 00:30:57,109
is that maybe how they got this bad

655
00:31:02,739 --> 00:30:59,950
dream this this vision is Precog

656
00:31:04,419 --> 00:31:02,749
impression that they got maybe they got

657
00:31:06,609 --> 00:31:04,429
it from a group of people that they

658
00:31:08,409 --> 00:31:06,619
overheard so all of that had to be

659
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:08,419
explored in every single one of these

660
00:31:13,239 --> 00:31:10,970
cases of course every single time it

661
00:31:15,399 --> 00:31:13,249
always came back no connection to

662
00:31:16,890 --> 00:31:15,409
terrorism whatsoever and you know

663
00:31:19,860 --> 00:31:16,900
background checks of course

664
00:31:23,010 --> 00:31:19,870
I'm family and parents and nothing

665
00:31:25,620 --> 00:31:23,020
nothing negative or derogatory ever came

666
00:31:31,620 --> 00:31:25,630
up on these so so pretty much all of

667
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:31,630
these incidents or were 100% paranormal

668
00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:35,440
and that was really shocking that was

669
00:31:39,930 --> 00:31:38,110
like like you said about um you know

670
00:31:41,850 --> 00:31:39,940
people saying maybe the world is ending

671
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:41,860
when their their paradigm gets ripped

672
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:42,850
out all of these law enforcement

673
00:31:48,990 --> 00:31:45,250
officers because we had conventions

674
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:49,000
after after long after 9/11 we had then

675
00:31:53,850 --> 00:31:51,130
we had gotten together and talked to

676
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:53,860
china exchange these stories and every

677
00:31:57,510 --> 00:31:55,360
single law enforcement officer that was

678
00:32:01,230 --> 00:31:57,520
involved with these interviews like

679
00:32:03,540 --> 00:32:01,240
myself were changed yeah forever because

680
00:32:04,980 --> 00:32:03,550
they knew what the final result of each

681
00:32:07,950 --> 00:32:04,990
one of these cases yeah another

682
00:32:10,340 --> 00:32:07,960
unexplainable just like the you know

683
00:32:13,650 --> 00:32:10,350
this topic that I explore here is just

684
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:13,660
totally unexplainable you know a lot of

685
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:15,130
people have theories including your

686
00:32:22,110 --> 00:32:19,450
theory we'll get into that and so I

687
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:22,120
actually have a friend real quickly in

688
00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:24,880
that's a former FBI and he had the

689
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:27,910
absolute coolest job and that is his art

690
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:30,610
theft recovery traveled all over the

691
00:32:35,460 --> 00:32:32,170
world incognito

692
00:32:38,490 --> 00:32:35,470
all that is a great job I would love to

693
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:38,500
yeah he but that means he he had some

694
00:32:43,470 --> 00:32:41,410
kind of a master's degree in art Islam

695
00:32:45,270 --> 00:32:43,480
you know he told me that he grew up like

696
00:32:47,310 --> 00:32:45,280
I did just around his parents were

697
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:47,320
antique dealers his name is Robert

698
00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:49,330
Wittman anyone can look at him he's

699
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:53,350
still he wrote a great book really

700
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:55,570
interesting guy he's been you know had

701
00:33:00,360 --> 00:32:58,240
machine guns you know held up against

702
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:00,370
him he carried you know the briefcases

703
00:33:05,070 --> 00:33:02,890
full of cash pretended to be a dumb

704
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:05,080
person who loved art or a professor of

705
00:33:10,140 --> 00:33:07,570
art you know all that stuff incognito

706
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:10,150
for 20 years for the FBI all over the

707
00:33:15,210 --> 00:33:13,570
world that's fast enough and and Martin

708
00:33:17,610 --> 00:33:15,220
you haven't had him on yourself no no I

709
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:17,620
you know I do the other show I have

710
00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:19,330
that's not related to UFOs that would be

711
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:21,480
fun to have him on that show absolutely

712
00:33:29,550 --> 00:33:25,330
absolutely so so you were involved for

713
00:33:30,810 --> 00:33:29,560
20 years with the FBI and and why were

714
00:33:32,340 --> 00:33:30,820
you called the X we

715
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:32,350
called something like the x-man I think

716
00:33:38,910 --> 00:33:36,010
I read that somewhere yeah yeah it was

717
00:33:41,220 --> 00:33:38,920
not a compliment it happened during it

718
00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:41,230
happened during a minor scandal that

719
00:33:46,890 --> 00:33:44,200
occurred in the FBI in the 90s when the

720
00:33:50,970 --> 00:33:46,900
x-files course came out was hugely

721
00:33:55,670 --> 00:33:50,980
popular and apparently the x-files were

722
00:34:00,270 --> 00:33:55,680
were using some stories that came from

723
00:34:02,430 --> 00:34:00,280
real-life FBI cases and to this day I am

724
00:34:05,130 --> 00:34:02,440
still working to track down exactly

725
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:05,140
which episodes match up with actually

726
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:08,560
what FBI cases because what happened was

727
00:34:16,409 --> 00:34:12,970
are some people in our leadership ended

728
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:16,419
up calling the creator yes I heard that

729
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:19,090
Chris Carter oh yeah mm-hmm yes and he

730
00:34:25,830 --> 00:34:22,240
talks like this today and and they made

731
00:34:28,350 --> 00:34:25,840
him feel or to understand or made him

732
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:28,360
feel that they could possibly shut down

733
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:31,570
the x-files I don't see what possible

734
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:32,890
excuse they could have for that door

735
00:34:37,830 --> 00:34:35,679
because but but that's what apparently

736
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:37,840
that's what they made him to feel or

737
00:34:43,110 --> 00:34:40,210
understand did they accuse him of a like

738
00:34:45,350 --> 00:34:43,120
did they accuse someone of leaking

739
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:45,360
information to him is that basically it

740
00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:48,370
well that's what I was accused of and I

741
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:50,910
had to be able to show that I had no

742
00:34:57,150 --> 00:34:54,250
contacts with Chris Carter and I was

743
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:57,160
able to say that because it's perfectly

744
00:35:01,560 --> 00:34:59,200
fine for Chris Carter to talk to

745
00:35:03,060 --> 00:35:01,570
retired FBI agents as consultants

746
00:35:07,170 --> 00:35:03,070
there's nothing wrong with that at all

747
00:35:10,140 --> 00:35:07,180
but no but you're not allowed to consult

748
00:35:12,210 --> 00:35:10,150
with people who are at that time working

749
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:12,220
at the FBI that's not allowed

750
00:35:15,830 --> 00:35:14,560
definitely not allowed and so that's

751
00:35:19,020 --> 00:35:15,840
what they were concerned about

752
00:35:20,670 --> 00:35:19,030
supposedly and so Chris Carter was able

753
00:35:22,410 --> 00:35:20,680
to show them that he didn't do anything

754
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:22,420
he wasn't getting information from

755
00:35:28,140 --> 00:35:25,810
anywhere strange or anywhere that was

756
00:35:30,860 --> 00:35:28,150
currently functioning with the FBI I was

757
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:30,870
also able to show that I was not

758
00:35:35,820 --> 00:35:33,970
consulting not giving any information to

759
00:35:38,580 --> 00:35:35,830
Chris Carter but by that time I was

760
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:38,590
already being called the x-files guy the

761
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:39,690
x-files man

762
00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:42,930
because I loved the x-files so much but

763
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:45,000
even but after that happened I was just

764
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:47,010
they just trying to call me the x-man

765
00:35:52,089 --> 00:35:49,170
because I think I was actually told by

766
00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:52,099
superiors I have been demoted from g-man

767
00:35:55,809 --> 00:35:54,089
they call you they didn't call you

768
00:35:59,539 --> 00:35:55,819
Mulder huh

769
00:36:02,690 --> 00:35:59,549
no oh yeah that's right um so your book

770
00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:02,700
um you said this is your second this

771
00:36:06,020 --> 00:36:04,500
your second book or you have a few of

772
00:36:10,190 --> 00:36:06,030
you have more books don't you or is that

773
00:36:13,309 --> 00:36:10,200
just - it is mine it is my my second

774
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,319
book I love being on video it's cool

775
00:36:18,770 --> 00:36:15,839
like yeah this now my first book is the

776
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:18,780
power investigators that's the one but I

777
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:21,599
wrote as soon as I retired from the FBI

778
00:36:28,579 --> 00:36:24,890
and my second book we're going video is

779
00:36:32,180 --> 00:36:28,589
the extra dimensions the news when you

780
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:32,190
retire from the FBI do you sign any type

781
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:34,890
of I don't know exactly what like a

782
00:36:40,460 --> 00:36:38,250
confidentiality or anything like that

783
00:36:42,020 --> 00:36:40,470
oh yeah so they're certain do they

784
00:36:46,670 --> 00:36:42,030
actually debrief you on certain topics

785
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:46,680
you can't talk about not for me that

786
00:36:53,930 --> 00:36:51,089
never never did but usually that if that

787
00:36:56,029 --> 00:36:53,940
happens usually that's political for

788
00:36:58,880 --> 00:36:56,039
instance they will if you were involved

789
00:37:01,339 --> 00:36:58,890
I don't know let's say with Bill

790
00:37:04,010 --> 00:37:01,349
Clinton's protection detail for whatever

791
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:04,020
reason there's no reason that I mean if

792
00:37:09,049 --> 00:37:05,520
you're involved with something like that

793
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,059
and so there's political considerations

794
00:37:15,260 --> 00:37:11,760
involved with that and they don't want

795
00:37:17,539 --> 00:37:15,270
you running around and telling Bill

796
00:37:21,380 --> 00:37:17,549
Clinton's business then yeah they might

797
00:37:24,289 --> 00:37:21,390
do a separate set of permanent of you

798
00:37:26,510 --> 00:37:24,299
know permanent non-disclosures and part

799
00:37:28,910 --> 00:37:26,520
in perpetuity that you have to sign a

800
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:28,920
stack of them to say it's totally

801
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:31,730
separate from your general obligation of

802
00:37:38,059 --> 00:37:35,690
maintaining secrecy on on general secret

803
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:38,069
methods and techniques yes not like that

804
00:37:42,940 --> 00:37:39,930
but I never had any sort of political

805
00:37:47,269 --> 00:37:42,950
involvement or any sort of like weird

806
00:37:49,789 --> 00:37:47,279
project uh political anything that I

807
00:37:51,860 --> 00:37:49,799
would have been involved with - FBI is a

808
00:37:55,310 --> 00:37:51,870
little politically right now

809
00:37:57,770 --> 00:37:55,320
oh man yeah tell me about it well but I

810
00:38:00,350 --> 00:37:57,780
think now that the person that was in

811
00:38:03,050 --> 00:38:00,360
charge there has been removed we're

812
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:03,060
hoping well they're hoping that uh the

813
00:38:07,580 --> 00:38:05,040
FBI can get back to the business of what

814
00:38:11,090 --> 00:38:07,590
it does what it does in general and not

815
00:38:13,820 --> 00:38:11,100
be a political football yeah right right

816
00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:13,830
so yeah let's talk about your book

817
00:38:21,350 --> 00:38:17,940
what's the scoop behind your theory and

818
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,360
the extra dimensionals now and before

819
00:38:26,990 --> 00:38:24,000
you get started out this is you know a

820
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:27,000
lot of times the subject does come up

821
00:38:32,180 --> 00:38:30,210
you know people speculate they could be

822
00:38:34,940 --> 00:38:32,190
you know from another planet they could

823
00:38:37,340 --> 00:38:34,950
be of the you know number one it could

824
00:38:42,740 --> 00:38:37,350
be time travelers extra-dimensional does

825
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:42,750
come up i i've had someone on the show

826
00:38:47,150 --> 00:38:44,850
Paulino that kind of goes a little bit

827
00:38:50,780 --> 00:38:47,160
along those lines of like a multiverse

828
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:50,790
type of situation so it's it's it's

829
00:39:00,650 --> 00:38:58,800
always interesting to to hear what what

830
00:39:06,170 --> 00:39:00,660
your thoughts are and how you came about

831
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:06,180
this topic a lot of it I noticed a lot

832
00:39:13,970 --> 00:39:09,930
of great thinkers are have really have

833
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:13,980
in the past come with the same

834
00:39:20,180 --> 00:39:16,710
determination that it's starting to look

835
00:39:22,430 --> 00:39:20,190
like alien visitors which again I

836
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,440
believe that feeling visitors are real

837
00:39:26,980 --> 00:39:24,720
that they are visiting the earth the

838
00:39:30,740 --> 00:39:26,990
UFOs a certain percentage of them are

839
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:30,750
real and are unexplainable possibly

840
00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:34,800
picture dimensional and so the extra

841
00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:37,320
dimensionality just extra dimensional

842
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:40,680
just basically says that alien visitors

843
00:39:45,950 --> 00:39:44,010
are not like us they're not like humans

844
00:39:48,250 --> 00:39:45,960
they don't cram themselves into little

845
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:48,260
metal shells and sail across our

846
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:52,250
galaxies and then arrive here physically

847
00:39:59,390 --> 00:39:55,770
like like we would we would get into a

848
00:40:02,300 --> 00:39:59,400
rocket ship and go to other planets you

849
00:40:06,050 --> 00:40:02,310
know saying what you said about

850
00:40:09,230 --> 00:40:06,060
you know Chuck fillet shot fillet had a

851
00:40:13,420 --> 00:40:09,240
great quote he said long time ago he

852
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:13,430
said I would be terribly disappointed if

853
00:40:20,540 --> 00:40:16,490
UFOs turned out to be nothing more than

854
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:20,550
a lian's visiting from other planets

855
00:40:28,820 --> 00:40:23,760
because I think I believe that they are

856
00:40:31,310 --> 00:40:28,830
so much more mm-hmm and that was that

857
00:40:33,140 --> 00:40:31,320
was i heard that quote very recently

858
00:40:34,910 --> 00:40:33,150
even though he said it well telling them

859
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:34,920
and that's how i feel also i

860
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:37,680
extra-dimensional extreme mentality just

861
00:40:43,940 --> 00:40:40,560
says that they are they're just not

862
00:40:46,460 --> 00:40:43,950
visible they are they are changing

863
00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:46,470
themselves and coming from other

864
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:50,040
dimensions into our reality because it

865
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:53,370
appears that the earth is possibly a

866
00:40:59,180 --> 00:40:56,730
gateway first and it's a planet second

867
00:41:01,550 --> 00:40:59,190
that's what a lot of my investigations

868
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:01,560
that have done have led me led me to

869
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:01,890
believe

870
00:41:07,550 --> 00:41:04,770
and that's what I've seen but where I

871
00:41:10,730 --> 00:41:07,560
originally where I originally got these

872
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:10,740
ideas is actually from the most unlikely

873
00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:13,170
place from the most unlikely place

874
00:41:21,250 --> 00:41:16,440
anyone could ever met I actually got it

875
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:21,260
from the FBI and that's because in

876
00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:26,970
nineteen in on July 8 1947 there was a

877
00:41:33,230 --> 00:41:30,510
document that examined very carefully in

878
00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:33,240
my book called a memorandum of

879
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:35,160
importance I call it the smoking gun

880
00:41:42,410 --> 00:41:39,330
smoking gun document and it is it is a

881
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,420
document that is out on the yacht if any

882
00:41:46,690 --> 00:41:44,880
of anybody can go to can actually get

883
00:41:50,690 --> 00:41:46,700
this document downloaded for free

884
00:41:53,540 --> 00:41:50,700
available at the site that is the it's

885
00:41:56,420 --> 00:41:53,550
like dumping ground for all Declassified

886
00:42:02,540 --> 00:41:56,430
FBI documents and it was written by an

887
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:02,550
FBI supervisor and it is at FBI I'm

888
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:03,030
sorry

889
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:08,130
vault or vault dot fbi.gov it's right at

890
00:42:18,530 --> 00:42:14,050
that site vault which is v8u Lt

891
00:42:22,050 --> 00:42:18,540
fbi.gov and you anyway that site has

892
00:42:24,180 --> 00:42:22,060
thousands many many many thousands while

893
00:42:28,770 --> 00:42:24,190
documents that have been Declassified

894
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:28,780
and some of them are in in every area

895
00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:31,690
you can imagine that has been held many

896
00:42:36,420 --> 00:42:33,670
secrets for many years there is

897
00:42:39,090 --> 00:42:36,430
documents on JFK assassination there's

898
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:39,100
documents on cattle mutilations there's

899
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:41,650
entire section of unexplained phenomena

900
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:46,240
and so so you are go to that site you

901
00:42:52,140 --> 00:42:49,450
click on the right at unexplained

902
00:42:55,140 --> 00:42:52,150
phenomena click on that tab and then on

903
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:55,150
the left you go to the first word it

904
00:43:01,110 --> 00:42:58,720
says you at all you click on UFO and

905
00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:01,120
then a group of documents will show up

906
00:43:07,770 --> 00:43:04,300
then you click on the Left where it says

907
00:43:11,010 --> 00:43:07,780
UFO part 1 then you click on that first

908
00:43:15,630 --> 00:43:11,020
group of documents and you go to page 22

909
00:43:19,020 --> 00:43:15,640
of that group and on page 22 is a

910
00:43:22,310 --> 00:43:19,030
Memorandum of importance that is the

911
00:43:25,230 --> 00:43:22,320
document that was written by an FBI

912
00:43:30,110 --> 00:43:25,240
supervisor and he wrote it because he

913
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:30,120
was himself a former scientist a PhD

914
00:43:35,790 --> 00:43:33,520
scientist and he was writing this

915
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:35,800
communication to the scientific

916
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:38,650
community and he wrote it to them

917
00:43:45,780 --> 00:43:42,610
because he was being asked about alien

918
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:45,790
visitors at this time that was very very

919
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:49,810
uh very active subject among all

920
00:43:56,310 --> 00:43:53,050
scientific community and so he wrote

921
00:43:59,940 --> 00:43:56,320
this because he said he had a source an

922
00:44:02,610 --> 00:43:59,950
informant and the informant he writes it

923
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:02,620
with this document at the top he says my

924
00:44:08,970 --> 00:44:05,890
informant is giving me information in my

925
00:44:10,850 --> 00:44:08,980
informant is super normal then super

926
00:44:13,530 --> 00:44:10,860
normal is an old timing word for

927
00:44:16,410 --> 00:44:13,540
paranormal supernatural / supernatural

928
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:16,420
and from the context I'm thinking his

929
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:19,930
informant was not a ghost and it appears

930
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:21,050
that his

931
00:44:26,110 --> 00:44:23,770
women could actually have been

932
00:44:27,490 --> 00:44:26,120
extraterrestrial in nature and he

933
00:44:30,130 --> 00:44:27,500
actually says because of who my

934
00:44:32,290 --> 00:44:30,140
informant is giving me this information

935
00:44:34,210 --> 00:44:32,300
most of scientific community will

936
00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:34,220
probably ignore what I'm about to say

937
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,350
but he says but I still have to say it

938
00:44:41,230 --> 00:44:38,720
because I have to try to help situation

939
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:41,240
and then he goes on to lay out about

940
00:44:47,860 --> 00:44:43,730
eight or nine conclusions that he was

941
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:47,870
told by his informant and the primary

942
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:51,890
one of which is that alien visitors are

943
00:44:57,100 --> 00:44:55,130
not physical that they are extra

944
00:44:59,710 --> 00:44:57,110
dimensional they are coming here it's

945
00:45:02,560 --> 00:44:59,720
like they're beaming themselves in from

946
00:45:03,550 --> 00:45:02,570
other dimensions of reality into our

947
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:03,560
reality

948
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:05,920
he says they change their vibration and

949
00:45:12,070 --> 00:45:08,770
then they change their vibration to

950
00:45:15,420 --> 00:45:12,080
blend to match our physical vibration

951
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:15,430
and that's how they appear here with us

952
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:18,650
for a short period of time but he says

953
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:21,200
the same things true twice as UFOs are

954
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:24,410
not made of metal they're made of some

955
00:45:32,410 --> 00:45:28,250
kind of radiant material like plasma he

956
00:45:35,140 --> 00:45:32,420
also says that they are alien visitors

957
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:35,150
are much larger than humans on the

958
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:39,200
average he says that they are also their

959
00:45:46,510 --> 00:45:43,090
mission here is peaceful he says however

960
00:45:49,450 --> 00:45:46,520
we are Air Force her airplanes must

961
00:45:51,940 --> 00:45:49,460
never attack the you it was the genuine

962
00:45:54,850 --> 00:45:51,950
UFOs and he said that would end in

963
00:45:57,010 --> 00:45:54,860
catastrophe and of course we see what

964
00:45:57,580 --> 00:45:57,020
happened a short time later actually at

965
00:46:02,830 --> 00:45:57,590
Thea

966
00:46:05,380 --> 00:46:02,840
that be a battle of LA and also in 1952

967
00:46:09,930 --> 00:46:05,390
over Washington DC in the airspace above

968
00:46:12,580 --> 00:46:09,940
the Capitol building in DC when we had

969
00:46:16,420 --> 00:46:12,590
when we had the first time that the Air

970
00:46:19,420 --> 00:46:16,430
Force was actually sent in mass against

971
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:19,430
a group of UFOs and it was again it was

972
00:46:25,690 --> 00:46:21,890
a catastrophe was catastrophic these

973
00:46:28,210 --> 00:46:25,700
UFOs did circles around our airplanes at

974
00:46:29,310 --> 00:46:28,220
time they did buzzing did you trace the

975
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:29,320
faces

976
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:33,370
and genuinely he got humiliating and yet

977
00:46:39,450 --> 00:46:36,400
they didn't destroy our Air Force in

978
00:46:42,750 --> 00:46:39,460
1952 in Washington DC what they call the

979
00:46:45,570 --> 00:46:42,760
invasion of DC that happened during over

980
00:46:47,550 --> 00:46:45,580
a period of about two weeks and so we

981
00:46:50,340 --> 00:46:47,560
see that that part of what he what he

982
00:46:54,050 --> 00:46:50,350
says in this document has been borne out

983
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:54,060
and he says but basically he says that

984
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:56,530
the most importantly he says I'm here is

985
00:47:01,010 --> 00:46:57,970
that they are not

986
00:47:03,540 --> 00:47:01,020
he says X Carnot since they are not

987
00:47:07,020 --> 00:47:03,550
physical like we are they are out of the

988
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:07,030
body and that they can achieve the

989
00:47:12,330 --> 00:47:09,370
physicality for short period of time but

990
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:12,340
something keeps them from maintaining

991
00:47:20,340 --> 00:47:15,850
that and so they go back to and he says

992
00:47:23,970 --> 00:47:20,350
Lord locust or Vettes which which is old

993
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:23,980
vague language four levels parallel

994
00:47:28,530 --> 00:47:26,800
levels of existence that never intersect

995
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:28,540
with each other and he says that's where

996
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:30,970
they come from they do not come from our

997
00:47:38,060 --> 00:47:34,210
Soler's the next galaxy over or the next

998
00:47:43,110 --> 00:47:38,070
nebula or anything anything in our

999
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:43,120
time-space that's what he says now that

1000
00:47:48,090 --> 00:47:45,850
I find that very interesting but also

1001
00:47:51,350 --> 00:47:48,100
I've heard a number of people speculate

1002
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:51,360
that and even I think Jacques Vallee

1003
00:47:56,550 --> 00:47:54,250
actually has mentioned along the lines

1004
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:56,560
were there speculations that it could be

1005
00:48:04,770 --> 00:47:58,720
a combination or or something that we've

1006
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:04,780
never thought of and so what are you

1007
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:07,810
hard line to this theory or do you think

1008
00:48:14,730 --> 00:48:10,170
that it's possible that we also could be

1009
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:14,740
visited from another galaxy or solar

1010
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:18,610
system or you know through a dimension

1011
00:48:27,690 --> 00:48:26,110
or somehow the same the same way yeah

1012
00:48:33,390 --> 00:48:27,700
it's just that I

1013
00:48:37,410 --> 00:48:33,400
the the extra-terrestrial theory I just

1014
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:37,420
don't see that it matches up to anything

1015
00:48:42,690 --> 00:48:40,930
that has happened or anything that

1016
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:42,700
really has been produced

1017
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:44,800
in the last in the last few centuries

1018
00:48:51,210 --> 00:48:47,530
other than other than Roswell which I

1019
00:48:55,170 --> 00:48:51,220
believe that Roswell was a was a PSYOP

1020
00:48:57,770 --> 00:48:55,180
was a double trick operation that was

1021
00:49:00,900 --> 00:48:57,780
put together partly by alien visitors

1022
00:49:03,540 --> 00:49:00,910
and with their power possibly for

1023
00:49:05,490 --> 00:49:03,550
purposes of technology transfer and also

1024
00:49:07,860 --> 00:49:05,500
to make us believe very important agenda

1025
00:49:10,770 --> 00:49:07,870
item that alien visitors are physical

1026
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:10,780
completely physical but I haven't seen

1027
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:13,510
you know SETI has been looking for

1028
00:49:21,390 --> 00:49:17,170
signals for how long we've had and we've

1029
00:49:24,450 --> 00:49:21,400
had so much looking out towards our

1030
00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:24,460
physical space not there and there's

1031
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:27,250
never been anything to match up to match

1032
00:49:33,870 --> 00:49:31,410
up with the physical extraterrestrial

1033
00:49:37,110 --> 00:49:33,880
hypothesis and not that I've seen

1034
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:37,120
currency anything that is that is

1035
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:39,970
credible that has been produced but if

1036
00:49:45,570 --> 00:49:42,880
it is I'm certainly I open to look at

1037
00:49:49,650 --> 00:49:45,580
but I just haven't seen it yet not in an

1038
00:49:52,590 --> 00:49:49,660
open not in an open way that it should

1039
00:49:56,850 --> 00:49:52,600
be it should be being produced so if

1040
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:56,860
this if if someone can travel through

1041
00:50:02,010 --> 00:49:59,680
dimensions through vibration I've heard

1042
00:50:05,460 --> 00:50:02,020
actually I've heard theories about the

1043
00:50:07,020 --> 00:50:05,470
vibration as far as actually being able

1044
00:50:11,340 --> 00:50:07,030
to go through solid matter and all that

1045
00:50:16,070 --> 00:50:11,350
things are supposed to be possible so if

1046
00:50:19,290 --> 00:50:16,080
that is some type of technology are you

1047
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:19,300
speculating that humankind will look

1048
00:50:25,350 --> 00:50:22,810
into that eventually as we progress and

1049
00:50:29,220 --> 00:50:25,360
and how would we even know there was

1050
00:50:31,050 --> 00:50:29,230
another dimension that existed and that

1051
00:50:33,330 --> 00:50:31,060
you know it's kind of an interesting

1052
00:50:36,570 --> 00:50:33,340
topic I just don't I don't really

1053
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:36,580
understand enough about it yeah well

1054
00:50:41,970 --> 00:50:39,520
there's a lot of cases where these are

1055
00:50:42,540 --> 00:50:41,980
these UFOs are genuine UFOs the real

1056
00:50:49,140 --> 00:50:42,550
ones

1057
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:49,150
they just they just seem to disappear if

1058
00:50:53,049 --> 00:50:51,280
not they don't just like they don't take

1059
00:50:54,819 --> 00:50:53,059
off to the horizon

1060
00:50:58,239 --> 00:50:54,829
where you can follow it with the naked

1061
00:51:01,029 --> 00:50:58,249
eye a lot of times they simply disappear

1062
00:51:03,789 --> 00:51:01,039
they go into a plasmic sort of

1063
00:51:06,339 --> 00:51:03,799
transition and then they again they

1064
00:51:08,349 --> 00:51:06,349
disappear yeah so where are they going

1065
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:08,359
where are they going to see that's a

1066
00:51:14,469 --> 00:51:10,880
that's an interdimensional observation

1067
00:51:17,169 --> 00:51:14,479
right there and so and when people and

1068
00:51:19,359 --> 00:51:17,179
when so many people have seen these are

1069
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:19,369
these alien visitors come through walls

1070
00:51:27,189 --> 00:51:24,650
and do things that suggest suggest extra

1071
00:51:29,049 --> 00:51:27,199
dimensional non-physical abilities

1072
00:51:31,569 --> 00:51:29,059
let's put it that way you know these

1073
00:51:33,130 --> 00:51:31,579
these patterns and these clues repeat

1074
00:51:37,029 --> 00:51:33,140
again and again and again to increase

1075
00:51:39,749 --> 00:51:37,039
the case so but no that does not exclude

1076
00:51:41,799 --> 00:51:39,759
that does not exclude a lot of other

1077
00:51:44,799 --> 00:51:41,809
theories that could be going on at the

1078
00:51:49,329 --> 00:51:44,809
same time like yeah there's probably a

1079
00:51:53,649 --> 00:51:49,339
portion of UFO observations that could

1080
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:53,659
be human military in in origin so sure

1081
00:51:57,519 --> 00:51:55,609
you know that could exist there could be

1082
00:52:01,449 --> 00:51:57,529
other other things that are also going

1083
00:52:04,539 --> 00:52:01,459
on at the same time that that are some

1084
00:52:07,059 --> 00:52:04,549
people have speculated that our alien

1085
00:52:09,130 --> 00:52:07,069
visitors could be human beings from the

1086
00:52:10,779 --> 00:52:09,140
future as well you know that's a

1087
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:10,789
possibility of course of course that's

1088
00:52:16,539 --> 00:52:12,609
none of these things are mutually

1089
00:52:19,569 --> 00:52:16,549
exclusive but the extra dimensional

1090
00:52:22,949 --> 00:52:19,579
aspect of it I believe is the most

1091
00:52:26,829 --> 00:52:22,959
important because what it does is it

1092
00:52:30,669 --> 00:52:26,839
frees us from a lot of agendas that are

1093
00:52:34,029 --> 00:52:30,679
going forward right now that are that

1094
00:52:36,999 --> 00:52:34,039
are using human beings towards purposes

1095
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:37,009
that should not be used that's that's

1096
00:52:39,999 --> 00:52:38,689
why it's important about extra tonight

1097
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:40,009
what do you see is like the best

1098
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:43,130
argument against it like I'm sure you've

1099
00:52:49,179 --> 00:52:46,400
been either corresponding with people

1100
00:52:51,609 --> 00:52:49,189
about this or then perhaps on another

1101
00:52:54,929 --> 00:52:51,619
show or something like I like that what

1102
00:52:57,749 --> 00:52:54,939
is a what is like the strongest case

1103
00:53:01,599 --> 00:52:57,759
that you've heard against

1104
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:01,609
extra-dimensional well that's easy it's

1105
00:53:05,630 --> 00:53:04,609
not when people when we go interview

1106
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:05,640
witness

1107
00:53:11,470 --> 00:53:07,770
talk to people we've gone through these

1108
00:53:15,980 --> 00:53:11,480
these abduction experiences and these

1109
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:15,990
observation experiences they will swear

1110
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:19,200
they will swear they will hold up their

1111
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:22,290
hand and swear that these experiences

1112
00:53:28,670 --> 00:53:25,200
are completely physical that they are

1113
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:28,680
what we call real that they happen here

1114
00:53:33,830 --> 00:53:31,530
and now into our time-space and that the

1115
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:33,840
alien the aliens they have had contact

1116
00:53:40,940 --> 00:53:38,490
with are completely utterly physical and

1117
00:53:42,890 --> 00:53:40,950
that's that's definitely and that is

1118
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:42,900
their perception that is what they that

1119
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:45,650
is what they feel any when Travis Walton

1120
00:53:51,710 --> 00:53:49,410
was was very young man in 1970s and he

1121
00:53:54,530 --> 00:53:51,720
was abducted thought supposedly he was

1122
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:54,540
abducted and taken in what we believe

1123
00:54:00,590 --> 00:53:57,210
may have been a ship

1124
00:54:03,110 --> 00:54:00,600
he took an instrument and started

1125
00:54:05,870 --> 00:54:03,120
swinging at these greys these Gray's

1126
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:05,880
that were trying to restrain him but you

1127
00:54:12,350 --> 00:54:09,330
can't get more physical than that so so

1128
00:54:14,330 --> 00:54:12,360
because of a neon juice truck struck one

1129
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:14,340
of them and at that point they just

1130
00:54:19,250 --> 00:54:16,170
wanted to full retreat because they were

1131
00:54:21,890 --> 00:54:19,260
not prepared for aggression on this

1132
00:54:24,020 --> 00:54:21,900
physical level and so they better they

1133
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:24,030
be to retreat so like I said that is the

1134
00:54:26,750 --> 00:54:25,290
strongest argument against it because

1135
00:54:29,540 --> 00:54:26,760
people who are the perceivers

1136
00:54:32,270 --> 00:54:29,550
experiencers they perceived these

1137
00:54:35,330 --> 00:54:32,280
experiences as completely physical

1138
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:35,340
that's destroys okay so if they if they

1139
00:54:42,350 --> 00:54:38,970
were say if they were physical could

1140
00:54:45,140 --> 00:54:42,360
they be physical I think I heard you say

1141
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:45,150
that that extra dimensionals could be

1142
00:54:51,350 --> 00:54:48,090
physical but for short time and why

1143
00:54:54,410 --> 00:54:51,360
would that be say a short time compared

1144
00:54:56,060 --> 00:54:54,420
to they could stay physical for any

1145
00:55:00,680 --> 00:54:56,070
amount of time is it because of the

1146
00:55:03,890 --> 00:55:00,690
vibration I there's some kind of

1147
00:55:06,770 --> 00:55:03,900
condition that has changed in the last

1148
00:55:10,310 --> 00:55:06,780
few millennium I believe something

1149
00:55:13,730 --> 00:55:10,320
changed to make our to make our

1150
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:13,740
time-space difficult for them that's

1151
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:14,720
what I believe

1152
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:18,250
because if you go back to prehistory

1153
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:21,770
history before we before we knew history

1154
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:25,010
it's pretty obvious that alien visitors

1155
00:55:31,630 --> 00:55:28,880
were able to be here on on a continual

1156
00:55:33,550 --> 00:55:31,640
basis in the past because we see the

1157
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:33,560
things that they have built they created

1158
00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:35,359
evening and that goes back to the

1159
00:55:40,750 --> 00:55:37,730
Anunnaki of course at the time of the

1160
00:55:44,319 --> 00:55:40,760
Anunnaki and others other alien races

1161
00:55:46,510 --> 00:55:44,329
that we have these things all these

1162
00:55:49,569 --> 00:55:46,520
monoliths megaliths around the earth

1163
00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:49,579
that were not created by humans we see

1164
00:55:56,829 --> 00:55:54,710
remnants of civilization we see items on

1165
00:56:00,910 --> 00:55:56,839
the moon the dark side of the Moon that

1166
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:00,920
are that are not humanly human created

1167
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:02,960
because it's just not the too large and

1168
00:56:08,890 --> 00:56:05,839
not practical for humans to have to have

1169
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:08,900
created on Mars we see remnants and

1170
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:10,970
probably not a parts of the solar system

1171
00:56:17,140 --> 00:56:13,450
- so there there was a time before

1172
00:56:21,220 --> 00:56:17,150
recorded history when alien visitors

1173
00:56:24,190 --> 00:56:21,230
could be here as long as physically and

1174
00:56:26,859 --> 00:56:24,200
as long as they wanted to but something

1175
00:56:29,890 --> 00:56:26,869
shifted something shifted to change all

1176
00:56:34,270 --> 00:56:29,900
that and that's why we're in a situation

1177
00:56:37,329 --> 00:56:34,280
now where they can't they can't be here

1178
00:56:40,210 --> 00:56:37,339
long enough to build more pyramids like

1179
00:56:43,300 --> 00:56:40,220
they possibly have in the past now so

1180
00:56:45,849 --> 00:56:43,310
but what exactly changed I don't know if

1181
00:56:47,819 --> 00:56:45,859
it had to be a huddle it may have been

1182
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:47,829
something to do our time and space

1183
00:56:53,170 --> 00:56:50,240
something that changed regarding well if

1184
00:56:56,050 --> 00:56:53,180
it's up if it's a vibration situation

1185
00:56:58,990 --> 00:56:56,060
type of thing you could also speculate

1186
00:57:00,940 --> 00:56:59,000
the that now we're blasting with all

1187
00:57:02,290 --> 00:57:00,950
types of radio waves and microwaves of

1188
00:57:06,130 --> 00:57:02,300
every everything you could possibly

1189
00:57:08,020 --> 00:57:06,140
imagine is with our technology so I

1190
00:57:10,089 --> 00:57:08,030
don't know you know some people have

1191
00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:10,099
speculated that UFOs have crashed

1192
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:15,710
because of radar radar waves they just

1193
00:57:21,130 --> 00:57:19,040
weren't prepared for that so you never

1194
00:57:23,380 --> 00:57:21,140
know it could be you know if I'm going

1195
00:57:24,430 --> 00:57:23,390
down this rabbit hole and saying yes I

1196
00:57:26,589 --> 00:57:24,440
agree with you that the extra

1197
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:26,599
dimensional then I could also say that

1198
00:57:29,860 --> 00:57:28,010
you know perhaps

1199
00:57:32,890 --> 00:57:29,870
Knology that we have today may have

1200
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:32,900
changed the reasoning for why they can't

1201
00:57:36,690 --> 00:57:35,450
stay here long if they if that's the

1202
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:36,700
question

1203
00:57:42,210 --> 00:57:38,930
sure you're an excellent attorney you

1204
00:57:45,550 --> 00:57:42,220
can you cannot argue both sides but the

1205
00:57:48,250 --> 00:57:45,560
thing is that one of the one of the

1206
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:48,260
things in my books that I always go back

1207
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:51,290
to again and again is that alien

1208
00:57:57,550 --> 00:57:55,040
visitors are are not like humans I don't

1209
00:58:00,550 --> 00:57:57,560
believe they can be interfered with in

1210
00:58:03,010 --> 00:58:00,560
in the ways that humans could be I

1211
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:03,020
believe they are they are so far ahead

1212
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:05,450
in technology that it will be difficult

1213
00:58:12,850 --> 00:58:08,450
for us to imagine like arthur c clarke

1214
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:12,860
said the science that is sufficiently

1215
00:58:18,790 --> 00:58:16,250
advanced appears to be magic to us and

1216
00:58:20,590 --> 00:58:18,800
that's i believe that's how far advanced

1217
00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:20,600
they are i don't think i don't really

1218
00:58:26,020 --> 00:58:24,110
see that they they need to physically

1219
00:58:28,210 --> 00:58:26,030
cram themselves into metal shelves like

1220
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:28,220
we would and i don't see that they could

1221
00:58:33,340 --> 00:58:31,040
be interfered with by radar and i don't

1222
00:58:38,260 --> 00:58:33,350
believe that the ship that crashed at

1223
00:58:40,210 --> 00:58:38,270
Roswell was a genuine vehicle with alien

1224
00:58:42,730 --> 00:58:40,220
visitors in it because I just don't

1225
00:58:44,770 --> 00:58:42,740
believe that's only they have that that

1226
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:44,780
their level of technology I believe as

1227
00:58:49,810 --> 00:58:47,690
much as so much farther advanced than

1228
00:58:52,090 --> 00:58:49,820
that that would be difficult for us to

1229
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:52,100
imagine what it really what the real

1230
00:58:56,140 --> 00:58:54,650
state of their technology is and I

1231
00:58:58,510 --> 00:58:56,150
believe that Roswell is something

1232
00:59:02,730 --> 00:58:58,520
actually put together was actually a

1233
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:02,740
PSYOP put together by by alien visitors

1234
00:59:09,210 --> 00:59:05,690
hand-in-hand with the elite powers and

1235
00:59:13,300 --> 00:59:09,220
control of our societies in order to

1236
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:13,310
maybe transfer technology and also to

1237
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:16,970
put put out that that mean that

1238
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:19,850
understanding that alien does there's

1239
00:59:23,260 --> 00:59:21,530
our physical that's was one of the

1240
00:59:28,180 --> 00:59:23,270
accomplishments of Roswell to look at

1241
00:59:29,710 --> 00:59:28,190
the next 50 60 years uh-huh we have

1242
00:59:31,900 --> 00:59:29,720
questions coming in from the chat room

1243
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:31,910
and I will get to our forum we have some

1244
00:59:38,410 --> 00:59:34,400
questions as well but Belinda wants to

1245
00:59:41,380 --> 00:59:38,420
know if this is the case and how come

1246
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:41,390
there are radiation

1247
00:59:45,130 --> 00:59:43,730
levels high radiation levels for

1248
00:59:48,190 --> 00:59:45,140
instance Rendlesham forest and a few

1249
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:48,200
other cases like that how how does this

1250
00:59:54,460 --> 00:59:52,250
fit into the whole equation yeah I think

1251
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:54,470
that when you have when you have a

1252
00:59:59,620 --> 00:59:57,530
plasmic vehicles that well I mean

1253
01:00:02,380 --> 00:59:59,630
plasmic is the nearest understanding

1254
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:02,390
there but that I can probably get to of

1255
01:00:05,950 --> 01:00:04,880
understanding the material that they're

1256
01:00:09,010 --> 01:00:05,960
there UFO's

1257
01:00:11,230 --> 01:00:09,020
are made out of for me that's there

1258
01:00:12,790 --> 01:00:11,240
they're a type of plasma that they're

1259
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:12,800
made on which means they are able to

1260
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:15,770
shift in their state the state of being

1261
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:19,520
crow sort of liked gaseous material to

1262
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:21,920
other materials and those transitions

1263
01:00:27,700 --> 01:00:24,410
those transitions I believe in our world

1264
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:27,710
in our time space creates radiation of

1265
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:30,160
different types and that's why that's

1266
01:00:38,140 --> 01:00:34,480
common that's a classic signal mark of

1267
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:38,150
genuine UFO experiences is when you have

1268
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:41,570
those those radiation markings and the

1269
01:00:46,060 --> 01:00:44,570
radiation burns that are left behind and

1270
01:00:47,860 --> 01:00:46,070
so for like that I don't think it's

1271
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:47,870
because they I don't think it's because

1272
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:50,720
the vehicles themselves are generating

1273
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:53,330
that radiation on purpose I think

1274
01:00:56,620 --> 01:00:54,610
there's something about the

1275
01:00:59,490 --> 01:00:56,630
transformation states that they go

1276
01:01:02,800 --> 01:00:59,500
through that somehow generates that

1277
01:01:05,620 --> 01:01:02,810
radiation of those times that's why okay

1278
01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:05,630
so I'm going to actually pass along this

1279
01:01:12,970 --> 01:01:10,310
sub from Bill asked in the forum his

1280
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:12,980
question is and I do believe he means

1281
01:01:18,340 --> 01:01:16,160
how this is related to the FBI guessing

1282
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:18,350
that's what this question is is how our

1283
01:01:23,410 --> 01:01:20,690
real paranormal events copied or

1284
01:01:26,410 --> 01:01:23,420
counterfeited and then disseminated to

1285
01:01:28,900 --> 01:01:26,420
make the original event seem fake and

1286
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:28,910
can you cite any type of example of that

1287
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:40,880
oh yeah the uh in uh 1920 2010 I had an

1288
01:01:49,060 --> 01:01:45,050
experience with I had an experience with

1289
01:01:52,690 --> 01:01:49,070
an event that occurred in Jerusalem

1290
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:52,700
Israel and it's anybody can look it up

1291
01:01:58,190 --> 01:01:54,450
it was the Dome of the rock

1292
01:02:04,700 --> 01:01:58,200
UFO occurrence that happened you know

1293
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:04,710
was 2010 possibly was 2011 but what

1294
01:02:10,099 --> 01:02:08,730
occurred was that I was in a I was in an

1295
01:02:13,099 --> 01:02:10,109
intelligence taskforce

1296
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:13,109
and I was with an individual I call get

1297
01:02:19,279 --> 01:02:16,650
saw and get so was running running

1298
01:02:23,150 --> 01:02:19,289
things in the in Jerusalem was actually

1299
01:02:25,370 --> 01:02:23,160
in Jerusalem and he was had people on

1300
01:02:28,490 --> 01:02:25,380
the ground working on something and at

1301
01:02:30,579 --> 01:02:28,500
some point he got communication from his

1302
01:02:32,900 --> 01:02:30,589
people on the ground who instead of

1303
01:02:35,809 --> 01:02:32,910
doing what they were supposed to be

1304
01:02:39,980 --> 01:02:35,819
doing were very caught up in the fact

1305
01:02:43,370 --> 01:02:39,990
that a UFO had just come down over the

1306
01:02:46,700 --> 01:02:43,380
Dome of the rock in Jerusalem they had

1307
01:02:48,829 --> 01:02:46,710
observed this and they were going they

1308
01:02:51,859 --> 01:02:48,839
were going nuts telling him this is it

1309
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:51,869
they're coming they're here and he was a

1310
01:02:58,640 --> 01:02:54,000
UFO enthusiast as I was also at that

1311
01:03:00,799 --> 01:02:58,650
time and so I when he told me story what

1312
01:03:03,710 --> 01:03:00,809
the reporting was that he had gotten

1313
01:03:06,259 --> 01:03:03,720
that day the event occurred pacified

1314
01:03:09,710 --> 01:03:06,269
1:00 in the morning there in Jerusalem

1315
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:09,720
and he had gotten and he got the report

1316
01:03:15,410 --> 01:03:12,450
a short while later and when he told me

1317
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:15,420
about it he informing and this is a

1318
01:03:21,650 --> 01:03:18,450
person who was very high up levels in

1319
01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:21,660
this national security structure and so

1320
01:03:25,370 --> 01:03:23,849
I was very excited also when he told me

1321
01:03:28,519 --> 01:03:25,380
about that this actually had happened

1322
01:03:30,890 --> 01:03:28,529
there in Jerusalem and so I believed

1323
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:30,900
like the people reporting it to him I

1324
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:33,359
believed that this is it they they're

1325
01:03:40,039 --> 01:03:37,650
coming they're here and the people on

1326
01:03:42,650 --> 01:03:40,049
the ground also had heard rumors that

1327
01:03:46,519 --> 01:03:42,660
there had been UFO sightings over other

1328
01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:46,529
religious when landmarks also in

1329
01:03:52,339 --> 01:03:50,569
Jerusalem that night in Israel and so

1330
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:52,349
what he told me

1331
01:03:58,130 --> 01:03:55,200
that shocked me he said he said to me no

1332
01:03:59,609 --> 01:03:58,140
this is not disclosure he says this by

1333
01:04:02,339 --> 01:03:59,619
morning time he says

1334
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:02,349
by in a couple of hours he says the

1335
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:04,930
original videos that people have been

1336
01:04:11,819 --> 01:04:07,450
loading loading up to common databases

1337
01:04:15,269 --> 01:04:11,829
of this incident will be erased they

1338
01:04:17,609 --> 01:04:15,279
will be replaced by fakes they will be

1339
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:17,619
fakes will be loaded in there

1340
01:04:22,079 --> 01:04:20,170
in many places because there's going to

1341
01:04:27,089 --> 01:04:22,089
be millions of people in a rush to go

1342
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:27,099
see the event called UFO over the Dome

1343
01:04:32,670 --> 01:04:29,920
of the rock and they will instead of

1344
01:04:34,979 --> 01:04:32,680
seeing the original videos from people

1345
01:04:37,319 --> 01:04:34,989
on the ground they'll be confronted with

1346
01:04:40,410 --> 01:04:37,329
these fakes that have intentional

1347
01:04:42,420 --> 01:04:40,420
breadcrumbs of fakery and that can be

1348
01:04:45,089 --> 01:04:42,430
that then can be knocked out by

1349
01:04:48,539 --> 01:04:45,099
mainstream media come in and say okay

1350
01:04:51,959 --> 01:04:48,549
this is not real is fake and he told me

1351
01:04:55,380 --> 01:04:51,969
that there are global shops that are set

1352
01:04:57,269 --> 01:04:55,390
up the permanent standing shops that are

1353
01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:57,279
for the purposes of doing just this

1354
01:05:04,499 --> 01:05:00,960
that's all they do is that they look for

1355
01:05:07,289 --> 01:05:04,509
instances of genuine paranormal activity

1356
01:05:10,140 --> 01:05:07,299
and when they find then they find them

1357
01:05:14,370 --> 01:05:10,150
and they take them down and replace them

1358
01:05:16,799 --> 01:05:14,380
so that no one can actually know at

1359
01:05:18,509 --> 01:05:16,809
least not in any significant numbers can

1360
01:05:20,819 --> 01:05:18,519
ever see the original the original

1361
01:05:24,209 --> 01:05:20,829
document or the original documentation

1362
01:05:28,469 --> 01:05:24,219
of the event that occurred and that was

1363
01:05:32,309 --> 01:05:28,479
my first example of what goes on with a

1364
01:05:35,279 --> 01:05:32,319
lot of these what are these UFO events

1365
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:35,289
well the ones that are actually real and

1366
01:05:39,299 --> 01:05:37,930
how they are taken down right little

1367
01:05:41,969 --> 01:05:39,309
shops okay I'm hearing some type of

1368
01:05:43,289 --> 01:05:41,979
clicking so just be aware of that I

1369
01:05:48,329 --> 01:05:43,299
don't know if it's your mouse or what

1370
01:05:50,700 --> 01:05:48,339
I'm hearing it stopped okay so um yeah I

1371
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:50,710
know you know right away if you anyone

1372
01:05:53,660 --> 01:05:52,210
can look online at the Dome of the rock

1373
01:05:57,890 --> 01:05:53,670
a hoax

1374
01:06:00,329 --> 01:05:57,900
supposedly my had heard that it was some

1375
01:06:03,329 --> 01:06:00,339
college students or something you know

1376
01:06:06,059 --> 01:06:03,339
as an experiment so what you're saying

1377
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:06,069
is that there was a lot of people that

1378
01:06:10,589 --> 01:06:07,690
actually witnessed it really happened

1379
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:10,599
and then it was replaced with and this

1380
01:06:16,529 --> 01:06:13,680
is was through the FBI

1381
01:06:19,589 --> 01:06:16,539
it was through intelligence task force

1382
01:06:20,970 --> 01:06:19,599
that I had been working at that time and

1383
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:20,980
that's how I found out about their

1384
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:23,410
global shops that actually replace these

1385
01:06:29,660 --> 01:06:25,930
videos and replace them with other

1386
01:06:33,180 --> 01:06:29,670
materials Wow isn't that something okay

1387
01:06:34,319 --> 01:06:33,190
someone in the chat room I'm still

1388
01:06:38,089 --> 01:06:34,329
hearing a cup a little bit of noise

1389
01:06:41,130 --> 01:06:38,099
there someone you all set over there

1390
01:06:43,529 --> 01:06:41,140
okay yes someone in the chat room wanted

1391
01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:43,539
to know his name Steve he wanted to know

1392
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:47,920
if any of the missing for one one David

1393
01:06:54,170 --> 01:06:51,250
Pilates has those great books on all the

1394
01:06:57,390 --> 01:06:54,180
missing people starting out from the the

1395
01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:57,400
parks to you know all the way to urban

1396
01:07:02,039 --> 01:06:58,960
he wondered if there's any type of

1397
01:07:03,509 --> 01:07:02,049
connection if you would speculate if

1398
01:07:06,089 --> 01:07:03,519
there's any type of connection with the

1399
01:07:07,950 --> 01:07:06,099
inter-dimensional as far as people that

1400
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:07,960
are just plain missing all over the

1401
01:07:14,279 --> 01:07:10,890
country and all over the world actually

1402
01:07:17,759 --> 01:07:14,289
that's a great question because whenever

1403
01:07:22,019 --> 01:07:17,769
I read a lot of those experiences they

1404
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:22,029
they seem some of them seem to have an

1405
01:07:27,029 --> 01:07:23,650
extra dimensional quality to them

1406
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:27,039
because you'll have you'll have parents

1407
01:07:33,539 --> 01:07:30,640
that are in a national park and they'll

1408
01:07:37,769 --> 01:07:33,549
be just a few feet away from their their

1409
01:07:40,769 --> 01:07:37,779
child and they will be on either side of

1410
01:07:43,499 --> 01:07:40,779
a tree there'll be a tree or you're

1411
01:07:46,410 --> 01:07:43,509
talking very young job three years old

1412
01:07:51,809 --> 01:07:46,420
who is playing in front of them and will

1413
01:07:55,470 --> 01:07:51,819
run behind a tree and then the parents

1414
01:07:57,839 --> 01:07:55,480
hear silence for a second where the

1415
01:08:01,140 --> 01:07:57,849
child had been very boisterous moment

1416
01:08:04,529 --> 01:08:01,150
court and then both parents will just go

1417
01:08:06,630 --> 01:08:04,539
forward into the tree and look behind a

1418
01:08:09,930 --> 01:08:06,640
grandchild their shirts hiding and

1419
01:08:13,740 --> 01:08:09,940
there's nothing there there's no there's

1420
01:08:18,030 --> 01:08:13,750
just one Center for footprints and child

1421
01:08:21,059 --> 01:08:18,040
is gone and it's not possible physically

1422
01:08:23,430 --> 01:08:21,069
I mean just physically it's just not in

1423
01:08:26,430 --> 01:08:23,440
or possible what what happened to them

1424
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:26,440
and I hear a lot of incidences it's very

1425
01:08:31,950 --> 01:08:29,770
similar to that where people will be in

1426
01:08:34,289 --> 01:08:31,960
the national parks and some will just

1427
01:08:36,900 --> 01:08:34,299
take their eye off a person for a moment

1428
01:08:40,140 --> 01:08:36,910
in a in a clearing where there's no

1429
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:40,150
place to go and they look back and

1430
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:43,440
person's gone one set of footprints and

1431
01:08:49,289 --> 01:08:46,930
dogs won't go anywhere they'll bring

1432
01:08:53,670 --> 01:08:49,299
dogs in to search for the person then

1433
01:08:56,250 --> 01:08:53,680
the dogs just sit that in itself it's

1434
01:09:00,120 --> 01:08:56,260
and there's no there's no physical

1435
01:09:02,940 --> 01:09:00,130
explanation for an occurrence like that

1436
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:02,950
so yeah that that does seem to have an

1437
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:04,810
extra dimensional quality to it that's

1438
01:09:09,300 --> 01:09:06,850
how it seems to me now I know you

1439
01:09:12,349 --> 01:09:09,310
mentioned earlier that you thought earth

1440
01:09:16,490 --> 01:09:12,359
could be some type of gateway possibly

1441
01:09:18,930 --> 01:09:16,500
and so the question I have on that is

1442
01:09:21,809 --> 01:09:18,940
you know I know people have mentioned

1443
01:09:25,140 --> 01:09:21,819
portals possibly and alike things like

1444
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:25,150
that but ah but why is the question that

1445
01:09:32,099 --> 01:09:28,330
I would speculate why would it be a

1446
01:09:34,260 --> 01:09:32,109
gateway and why would it be why would

1447
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:34,270
there be portals here instead of other

1448
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:36,010
planets we know there are other planets

1449
01:09:45,630 --> 01:09:42,130
why here because it must be that way

1450
01:09:48,660 --> 01:09:45,640
because we see alien visitors appearing

1451
01:09:51,630 --> 01:09:48,670
all the time we see but it's very uh

1452
01:09:54,750 --> 01:09:51,640
it's very temperate very ephemeral they

1453
01:09:57,300 --> 01:09:54,760
appear they have contact that there's

1454
01:09:58,980 --> 01:09:57,310
observation experience that abduction

1455
01:10:01,260 --> 01:09:58,990
experiences and these experiences

1456
01:10:03,150 --> 01:10:01,270
they're just not they're not leveling

1457
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:03,160
off they're not diminishing they are

1458
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:05,770
only increasing as if they're increasing

1459
01:10:13,530 --> 01:10:08,050
towards some kind of crescendo some kind

1460
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:13,540
of final climax and they're and so they

1461
01:10:18,030 --> 01:10:15,970
are coming through somewhere so it

1462
01:10:22,290 --> 01:10:18,040
appears that they are coming through the

1463
01:10:24,780 --> 01:10:22,300
earth itself and they don't seem to they

1464
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:24,790
don't seem to be stopping or and it

1465
01:10:30,850 --> 01:10:27,690
seems to be increasing in nature and so

1466
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:30,860
yeah we're the only planet that we

1467
01:10:36,189 --> 01:10:34,610
but I just see that that gateway is just

1468
01:10:39,100 --> 01:10:36,199
seems appears to be getting bigger and

1469
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:39,110
bigger all the time yes I'm in the forum

1470
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:41,210
there's a bill had another question and

1471
01:10:47,260 --> 01:10:44,690
it's very similar to what Belinda asked

1472
01:10:49,780 --> 01:10:47,270
earlier about radiation and I think

1473
01:10:52,330 --> 01:10:49,790
you've kind of addressed this bill asked

1474
01:10:55,780 --> 01:10:52,340
if you believe that UFOs are physical

1475
01:10:56,799 --> 01:10:55,790
are a physical craft or are they some

1476
01:10:58,270 --> 01:10:56,809
other non-physical

1477
01:11:00,399 --> 01:10:58,280
makeup I believe you already mentioned

1478
01:11:03,339 --> 01:11:00,409
that possibly plasma

1479
01:11:05,589 --> 01:11:03,349
I think they transition they transition

1480
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:05,599
and yes they can be physical I mean

1481
01:11:12,819 --> 01:11:08,090
there's people who have who have touched

1482
01:11:15,580 --> 01:11:12,829
them who have not well not to touch them

1483
01:11:17,470 --> 01:11:15,590
and they appear to be physical but that

1484
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:17,480
could be that could be a transition so

1485
01:11:21,819 --> 01:11:19,489
yeah I need finishes so that finishes up

1486
01:11:23,260 --> 01:11:21,829
if they're non-physical how do they

1487
01:11:25,689 --> 01:11:23,270
leave behind trace evidence but I

1488
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:25,699
believe you more or less address that

1489
01:11:31,390 --> 01:11:29,570
earlier yeah that's how because they do

1490
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:31,400
go shift through various phases

1491
01:11:36,010 --> 01:11:33,650
including the physical computers because

1492
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:36,020
and Belinda in the chat room wanted to

1493
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:38,719
know why whistleblowers claim the

1494
01:11:44,979 --> 01:11:42,489
government is working with aliens oh

1495
01:11:49,299 --> 01:11:44,989
that's that's an excellent question

1496
01:11:51,700 --> 01:11:49,309
yeah the they do appear to be a great

1497
01:11:54,819 --> 01:11:51,710
deal of whistleblowers that are in the

1498
01:11:59,010 --> 01:11:54,829
in the business of you know uncovering

1499
01:12:02,200 --> 01:11:59,020
these government actions on behalf of

1500
01:12:06,609 --> 01:12:02,210
alien visitors but but I believe that

1501
01:12:08,379 --> 01:12:06,619
the what we see in our what we see with

1502
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:08,389
governments the national government not

1503
01:12:13,540 --> 01:12:10,250
just our government but all the national

1504
01:12:16,870 --> 01:12:13,550
governments what we see happening with

1505
01:12:19,140 --> 01:12:16,880
them is that they are there I don't

1506
01:12:21,609 --> 01:12:19,150
think they're on the inside of any

1507
01:12:23,919 --> 01:12:21,619
conspiracy I think they're just

1508
01:12:26,410 --> 01:12:23,929
following orders and yeah there is there

1509
01:12:29,020 --> 01:12:26,420
is a conspiracy all right then it is

1510
01:12:31,660 --> 01:12:29,030
from levels above the national

1511
01:12:33,010 --> 01:12:31,670
governments and a lot of times the

1512
01:12:35,589 --> 01:12:33,020
national governments they're just

1513
01:12:38,740 --> 01:12:35,599
following orders like I heard I heard

1514
01:12:41,260 --> 01:12:38,750
you're very excellent interview with

1515
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:41,270
the colonel halt of the Rendlesham

1516
01:12:47,290 --> 01:12:44,570
forest okay and that's next one that was

1517
01:12:49,420 --> 01:12:47,300
an excellent interview that he was it

1518
01:12:52,780 --> 01:12:49,430
was phenomenal to hear directly from him

1519
01:12:54,820 --> 01:12:52,790
about the occurrences of those nights in

1520
01:12:58,660 --> 01:12:54,830
Rendlesham forest but brendensen forest

1521
01:13:01,090 --> 01:12:58,670
is a perfect example these we have we

1522
01:13:03,820 --> 01:13:01,100
have two nations basically because the

1523
01:13:06,850 --> 01:13:03,830
Rendlesham was a an American military

1524
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:06,860
base on British soil so you had two

1525
01:13:15,310 --> 01:13:10,250
nations major nations that immediately

1526
01:13:18,340 --> 01:13:15,320
fell into line covering up the invasion

1527
01:13:20,830 --> 01:13:18,350
that occurred of UFO vehicles genuine

1528
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:20,840
UFO or explainable extraterrestrial

1529
01:13:28,450 --> 01:13:24,290
vehicles at Rendlesham at the Russian

1530
01:13:30,370 --> 01:13:28,460
military base and they after this

1531
01:13:34,210 --> 01:13:30,380
occurred over this occurred I think over

1532
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:34,220
three nights where these these UFOs came

1533
01:13:40,420 --> 01:13:37,760
in and harassed and terrified these the

1534
01:13:42,850 --> 01:13:40,430
soldiers including Colonel halt himself

1535
01:13:45,340 --> 01:13:42,860
until you've reached that crescendo

1536
01:13:47,500 --> 01:13:45,350
where they were following that one UFO

1537
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:47,510
that wasn't leading them on a merry

1538
01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:50,330
chase through the forest and eventually

1539
01:13:56,380 --> 01:13:54,320
broke into five orbs it broke into live

1540
01:14:00,280 --> 01:13:56,390
orders that all flew off in different

1541
01:14:02,470 --> 01:14:00,290
directions I mean that's amazing and as

1542
01:14:05,050 --> 01:14:02,480
soon as that event the extraordinary

1543
01:14:10,030 --> 01:14:05,060
event was over instead of celebrating

1544
01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:10,040
that event you see two nations that came

1545
01:14:16,090 --> 01:14:12,560
into lockstep with the national security

1546
01:14:19,060 --> 01:14:16,100
structure to suppress shut down and

1547
01:14:21,540 --> 01:14:19,070
cover up everything that occurred with

1548
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:21,550
Colonel halt and his troops that night

1549
01:14:28,150 --> 01:14:25,520
these these orders are coming from

1550
01:14:32,110 --> 01:14:28,160
somewhere higher than the nation's that

1551
01:14:33,610 --> 01:14:32,120
is my that is my hypothesis that's what

1552
01:14:37,630 --> 01:14:33,620
I believe because that's what I've seen

1553
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:37,640
I have seen nations that never cooperate

1554
01:14:42,220 --> 01:14:40,250
with each other on so many issues and

1555
01:14:44,980 --> 01:14:42,230
have a hard time even when they want to

1556
01:14:47,530 --> 01:14:44,990
cooperate and yet when something of this

1557
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:47,540
nature happened something supernatural

1558
01:14:53,860 --> 01:14:51,410
something extra dimensional or extra

1559
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:53,870
terrestrial all of a sudden all these

1560
01:14:59,980 --> 01:14:56,690
nations immediately cooperate lock arms

1561
01:15:04,080 --> 01:14:59,990
and do whatever they have to to cover up

1562
01:15:05,980 --> 01:15:04,090
to stop knowledge about the

1563
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:05,990
extraterrestrials from getting out and

1564
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:09,410
so that's me it just it's always I've

1565
01:15:14,170 --> 01:15:11,120
seen it happen again and get so many

1566
01:15:16,690 --> 01:15:14,180
times that it just it seems obvious to

1567
01:15:18,430 --> 01:15:16,700
me the orders for this are coming from

1568
01:15:22,030 --> 01:15:18,440
someplace higher than the nation I

1569
01:15:26,220 --> 01:15:22,040
personally don't think that that any

1570
01:15:30,100 --> 01:15:26,230
part of the government or governments

1571
01:15:31,900 --> 01:15:30,110
actually really know a hundred percent

1572
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:31,910
of what's going on you know I mean I

1573
01:15:38,140 --> 01:15:35,570
think I think I think what they could be

1574
01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:38,150
is more scared of or anything else and

1575
01:15:43,030 --> 01:15:40,640
by the way I have a friend that's on the

1576
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:43,040
Antiques Roadshow that had a UFO

1577
01:15:48,550 --> 01:15:45,770
sighting were a box-shaped thing burst

1578
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:48,560
into five lights you know same same

1579
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:50,330
exact type of thing you see sawed you

1580
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:53,090
know with his own eyes oh and he doesn't

1581
01:15:55,420 --> 01:15:54,170
want to you know he would never come on

1582
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:55,430
the show and talk about it but it was

1583
01:16:02,230 --> 01:15:57,290
quite a sighting and he had several

1584
01:16:05,410 --> 01:16:02,240
witnesses with him yeah it's it's

1585
01:16:07,540 --> 01:16:05,420
amazing and yeah that's exactly what I

1586
01:16:10,450 --> 01:16:07,550
believe I believe that uh the the

1587
01:16:14,230 --> 01:16:10,460
nations are the nations aren't terrified

1588
01:16:17,140 --> 01:16:14,240
and they have standing orders to always

1589
01:16:21,100 --> 01:16:17,150
do whatever it takes to make sure that

1590
01:16:24,130 --> 01:16:21,110
knowledge doesn't get out of this of the

1591
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:24,140
extra-terrestrial reality or the extra

1592
01:16:27,670 --> 01:16:26,090
dimensional reality and that's their

1593
01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:27,680
orders and they follow those orders so

1594
01:16:34,020 --> 01:16:29,360
anybody doesn't believe all they got to

1595
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:34,030
do is Google NASA cuts the live feed

1596
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:36,770
just google that and see how many

1597
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:41,090
instances you get of NASA having up

1598
01:16:44,700 --> 01:16:43,130
having their satellite feeds that are

1599
01:16:46,930 --> 01:16:44,710
out there thank goodness we have

1600
01:16:48,370 --> 01:16:46,940
computer people who are sitting behind

1601
01:16:51,370 --> 01:16:48,380
screens recording every

1602
01:16:54,430 --> 01:16:51,380
every month but and yeah you'll be

1603
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:54,440
you'll find a dozen instances of where

1604
01:16:58,479 --> 01:16:56,690
NASA it has the live feed point you from

1605
01:17:00,189 --> 01:16:58,489
the satellite to Earth's upper

1606
01:17:02,379 --> 01:17:00,199
atmosphere and then something appears

1607
01:17:05,169 --> 01:17:02,389
that is completely unknown and

1608
01:17:06,910 --> 01:17:05,179
unexplainable and sometimes you'll have

1609
01:17:09,610 --> 01:17:06,920
a quick-thinking technician that will

1610
01:17:12,220 --> 01:17:09,620
mutter something about space debris or a

1611
01:17:14,590 --> 01:17:12,230
stage of some rocket that nobody knows

1612
01:17:16,930 --> 01:17:14,600
about or or something like that but

1613
01:17:19,390 --> 01:17:16,940
usually they just they just follow their

1614
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:19,400
standing orders cut the live feed and

1615
01:17:25,390 --> 01:17:22,730
you can also Google es a European Space

1616
01:17:27,820 --> 01:17:25,400
Agency cuts the live feed then you'll

1617
01:17:30,820 --> 01:17:27,830
get similar results because all the

1618
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:30,830
nations have the same orders and it's

1619
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:32,810
not that I don't think there's anybody

1620
01:17:37,450 --> 01:17:35,570
out is anybody at NASA that knows why

1621
01:17:39,700 --> 01:17:37,460
they're doing it but they know they're

1622
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:39,710
they have their orders they know the gun

1623
01:17:42,700 --> 01:17:41,120
and they're going to keep carrying them

1624
01:17:46,959 --> 01:17:42,710
out I've heard up I've heard of

1625
01:17:48,700 --> 01:17:46,969
speculation on that that they're told to

1626
01:17:50,649 --> 01:17:48,710
do that because they just don't you know

1627
01:17:51,790 --> 01:17:50,659
it could be space junk or something like

1628
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:51,800
that but they just don't want to get the

1629
01:17:56,979 --> 01:17:54,560
phone calls along along the lines I have

1630
01:17:59,290 --> 01:17:56,989
a very very long question here in the

1631
01:18:00,850 --> 01:17:59,300
forum but it's kind of along the lines

1632
01:18:02,950 --> 01:18:00,860
of what we're talking about here when

1633
01:18:04,899 --> 01:18:02,960
facts are hidden obscured through data

1634
01:18:06,879 --> 01:18:04,909
flooding or other forms of

1635
01:18:08,820 --> 01:18:06,889
disinformation it can be difficult for

1636
01:18:12,370 --> 01:18:08,830
any investigator no matter how dedicated

1637
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:12,380
to come to a sound conclusion when a

1638
01:18:16,629 --> 01:18:14,090
scientist is confronted with evidence

1639
01:18:19,919 --> 01:18:16,639
that does not fit the accepted paradigm

1640
01:18:22,330 --> 01:18:19,929
he might disregard it as spurious ontour

1641
01:18:23,890 --> 01:18:22,340
untrustworthy evidence especially when

1642
01:18:26,410 --> 01:18:23,900
it's drowned with a vast flood of

1643
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:26,420
evidence that falls within the accepted

1644
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:29,090
paradigm but a scientist I will get to

1645
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:32,090
the actual question actually I think but

1646
01:18:36,370 --> 01:18:34,610
a scientist who decides to pursue that

1647
01:18:39,700 --> 01:18:36,380
odd evidence sometimes ends up making

1648
01:18:42,459 --> 01:18:39,710
the a paradigm changing discovery do you

1649
01:18:45,250 --> 01:18:42,469
think that an investigator should always

1650
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:45,260
keep his eyes open to evidence that does

1651
01:18:50,050 --> 01:18:47,810
not fit his current conclusions for

1652
01:18:52,660 --> 01:18:50,060
example evidence of physical craft

1653
01:18:55,149 --> 01:18:52,670
physical beings or even a secretive

1654
01:18:58,000 --> 01:18:55,159
ongoing interstellar badr and technology

1655
01:19:00,250 --> 01:18:58,010
exchange or is some evidence just too

1656
01:19:01,930 --> 01:19:00,260
odd to even consider I don't even

1657
01:19:05,890 --> 01:19:01,940
remember how this question started

1658
01:19:09,340 --> 01:19:05,900
yeah no but I've got ok with it yes

1659
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:09,350
it listen investigators always have to

1660
01:19:14,590 --> 01:19:12,010
follow the clues the truth the evidence

1661
01:19:17,710 --> 01:19:14,600
to wherever it may be and they must

1662
01:19:19,780 --> 01:19:17,720
never never lose that threat and never

1663
01:19:22,750 --> 01:19:19,790
there's nothing that's outside what can

1664
01:19:25,810 --> 01:19:22,760
be considered that's why I'm a para

1665
01:19:29,230 --> 01:19:25,820
investigator rather than investigator I

1666
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:29,240
can I can see everything that occurs in

1667
01:19:35,470 --> 01:19:32,090
a material world but when that evidence

1668
01:19:37,540 --> 01:19:35,480
runs out I can look I can look and see

1669
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:37,550
the metaphysical clues and evidence

1670
01:19:42,250 --> 01:19:40,370
which also is evidence and see that for

1671
01:19:44,890 --> 01:19:42,260
what it is also but yeah by the

1672
01:19:47,620 --> 01:19:44,900
investigator has to always be open to

1673
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:47,630
anything and it goes against goes

1674
01:19:52,690 --> 01:19:50,210
against any hypotheses that they cling

1675
01:19:54,970 --> 01:19:52,700
to anything that they see anything that

1676
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:54,980
they if they believe it or not you've

1677
01:20:01,600 --> 01:19:57,890
got always be open to the other side and

1678
01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:01,610
anything anything at all because we just

1679
01:20:08,260 --> 01:20:04,880
never know where those clues that

1680
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:08,270
evidence may be now the difference the

1681
01:20:15,670 --> 01:20:11,930
differences between me for instance and

1682
01:20:18,970 --> 01:20:15,680
and scientists or journalists or fact

1683
01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:18,980
finders is that because I'm because I'm

1684
01:20:23,860 --> 01:20:21,280
a law enforcement investigator I

1685
01:20:26,590 --> 01:20:23,870
consider I have spent good portion my

1686
01:20:29,220 --> 01:20:26,600
life in the court system gathering

1687
01:20:33,220 --> 01:20:29,230
evidence and making case is ready for

1688
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:33,230
trial things like that I have an

1689
01:20:38,050 --> 01:20:35,410
understanding of evidence that

1690
01:20:40,660 --> 01:20:38,060
scientists may not recognize that

1691
01:20:42,820 --> 01:20:40,670
journalists may not recognize as valid

1692
01:20:44,770 --> 01:20:42,830
they may not see it but I haven't

1693
01:20:46,690 --> 01:20:44,780
I happen to know and I go into this in

1694
01:20:49,300 --> 01:20:46,700
my book the power of investigators I

1695
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:49,310
have understanding of evidence it's much

1696
01:20:55,780 --> 01:20:53,090
wider than much more involved than the

1697
01:20:59,200 --> 01:20:55,790
common evidence recognition

1698
01:21:00,790 --> 01:20:59,210
unfortunately TB has ruined people for

1699
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:00,800
understanding what evidence really means

1700
01:21:05,870 --> 01:21:04,090
people have been trained by CSI

1701
01:21:08,030 --> 01:21:05,880
television that

1702
01:21:09,620 --> 01:21:08,040
only things that are really evidence or

1703
01:21:12,020 --> 01:21:09,630
whatever you can put out a test-tube and

1704
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:12,030
take to the lab and send to the lab

1705
01:21:18,170 --> 01:21:15,600
technicians to be measured and matched

1706
01:21:21,170 --> 01:21:18,180
up and so forth but evidence actually

1707
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:21,180
means a lot more than that and so that's

1708
01:21:26,780 --> 01:21:22,650
what that's one of the things I try to

1709
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:26,790
teach people is what evidence really

1710
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:29,850
means and what the strongest for

1711
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:32,250
instance the strongest kind of evidence

1712
01:21:37,700 --> 01:21:34,770
that there really is is witness

1713
01:21:41,570 --> 01:21:37,710
authenticity the authenticity of a human

1714
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:41,580
being that appears reliable credible and

1715
01:21:47,570 --> 01:21:44,010
real people want to see what they're

1716
01:21:49,750 --> 01:21:47,580
talking about they just need to go to go

1717
01:21:51,850 --> 01:21:49,760
to the common databases that have the

1718
01:21:53,810 --> 01:21:51,860
interviews of Betty and Barney Hill

1719
01:21:54,980 --> 01:21:53,820
those interviews are still on there

1720
01:21:57,740 --> 01:21:54,990
black and white but they're still

1721
01:22:00,920 --> 01:21:57,750
available today especially Betty Betty

1722
01:22:03,070 --> 01:22:00,930
he'll just go look go looking a lot of

1723
01:22:06,350 --> 01:22:03,080
her interviews where she talks about

1724
01:22:10,490 --> 01:22:06,360
1961 abduction experience in it the that

1725
01:22:12,290 --> 01:22:10,500
they had and you will see what witness

1726
01:22:16,730 --> 01:22:12,300
authenticity looks like these are people

1727
01:22:19,150 --> 01:22:16,740
who are in pain they're they're in great

1728
01:22:21,650 --> 01:22:19,160
discomfort we're counting these

1729
01:22:23,540 --> 01:22:21,660
experiences and yet they still do it

1730
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:23,550
they still do it against great

1731
01:22:28,700 --> 01:22:26,970
resistance now and the only reason is to

1732
01:22:30,770 --> 01:22:28,710
help other people and I think they've

1733
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:30,780
done that over the years now I've had

1734
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:33,930
Seth Shostak from the study on the show

1735
01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:36,690
a couple times and one of the times we

1736
01:22:41,260 --> 01:22:39,360
debated UFOs and he's a real smooth

1737
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:41,270
talker I think he did he did pretty well

1738
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:45,570
but in that particular case we decided

1739
01:22:51,410 --> 01:22:49,170
you I was I was he was on the side that

1740
01:22:53,420 --> 01:22:51,420
that you were he was on the side that

1741
01:22:55,550 --> 01:22:53,430
they were we've never been visited you

1742
01:22:58,730 --> 01:22:55,560
know basically there's no evidence so

1743
01:23:01,130 --> 01:22:58,740
when I questioned him about the

1744
01:23:03,410 --> 01:23:01,140
authentic who I consider authentic and

1745
01:23:08,150 --> 01:23:03,420
more skilled possibly a law enforcement

1746
01:23:09,620 --> 01:23:08,160
and astronauts and airline pilots and

1747
01:23:11,810 --> 01:23:09,630
thing you know people like that that

1748
01:23:15,260 --> 01:23:11,820
have actually witnessed his comeback was

1749
01:23:17,810 --> 01:23:15,270
that eyewitness testimony does not hold

1750
01:23:20,410 --> 01:23:17,820
up in court and you know what your

1751
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:20,420
what's your response to that

1752
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:24,410
I'm not sure what that means because

1753
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:27,840
because that's the the main most

1754
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:30,210
important that's the most important

1755
01:23:35,140 --> 01:23:32,730
thing there is in any in any court

1756
01:23:37,940 --> 01:23:35,150
situation or any any sort of evidentiary

1757
01:23:41,980 --> 01:23:37,950
situation it's the human being the human

1758
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:41,990
being that has to relate the experience

1759
01:23:47,090 --> 01:23:45,330
the experience of truth of what they

1760
01:23:50,930 --> 01:23:47,100
went through and what they what they

1761
01:23:54,050 --> 01:23:50,940
observed what they saw so yeah I witness

1762
01:23:56,510 --> 01:23:54,060
testimony I think maybe what what he

1763
01:24:00,830 --> 01:23:56,520
meant was that eyewitness testimony is

1764
01:24:02,690 --> 01:24:00,840
notoriously unreliable and yeah yeah it

1765
01:24:04,670 --> 01:24:02,700
is if you're a defense I think you did I

1766
01:24:07,850 --> 01:24:04,680
think that was probably more the point

1767
01:24:09,950 --> 01:24:07,860
yes yes yes and yeah that's absolutely

1768
01:24:13,550 --> 01:24:09,960
true if you're a defense attorney and

1769
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:13,560
you're good at framing eyewitness

1770
01:24:18,140 --> 01:24:16,170
testimony is incredibly unreliable then

1771
01:24:20,570 --> 01:24:18,150
or well I guess it depends on situation

1772
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:20,580
the prosecution could go for that also

1773
01:24:27,860 --> 01:24:24,810
but regardless attorneys can take apart

1774
01:24:31,220 --> 01:24:27,870
anything just with the power of

1775
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:31,230
imagination and legal skills so yeah

1776
01:24:38,780 --> 01:24:33,840
there can be a I witness that's when it

1777
01:24:40,850 --> 01:24:38,790
can be can be unreliable in if you're at

1778
01:24:43,780 --> 01:24:40,860
least you can show it to be unreliable

1779
01:24:46,490 --> 01:24:43,790
not because but the reason is because

1780
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:46,500
you're good attorney right here a good

1781
01:24:51,020 --> 01:24:48,960
exactly it's not because it's inherently

1782
01:24:53,540 --> 01:24:51,030
unreliable because that's definitely not

1783
01:24:56,450 --> 01:24:53,550
true that's not true at all but yeah

1784
01:24:59,000 --> 01:24:56,460
this is a skilled arguer have the

1785
01:25:01,160 --> 01:24:59,010
ability to make eyewitness testimony

1786
01:25:03,820 --> 01:25:01,170
seen Underland me of course they do

1787
01:25:08,780 --> 01:25:03,830
and I could do it myself it's not hard

1788
01:25:12,140 --> 01:25:08,790
but but human experience is the most is

1789
01:25:17,390 --> 01:25:12,150
a single most important thing in matters

1790
01:25:20,060 --> 01:25:17,400
of evidence and also we gotta when

1791
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:20,070
people observe something and they

1792
01:25:24,980 --> 01:25:22,400
present it the best that they can

1793
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:24,990
that's the that's the best thing that

1794
01:25:29,570 --> 01:25:27,360
you could hope for in any situation

1795
01:25:30,979 --> 01:25:29,580
despite regardless of what the degree of

1796
01:25:32,810 --> 01:25:30,989
skill is

1797
01:25:35,930 --> 01:25:32,820
whether they're an airline pilot or an

1798
01:25:38,660 --> 01:25:35,940
astronaut or just a just a person

1799
01:25:40,670 --> 01:25:38,670
unskilled labor it doesn't matter what

1800
01:25:44,300 --> 01:25:40,680
matters is are they reliable credible

1801
01:25:48,830 --> 01:25:44,310
and do we have reason do we have reason

1802
01:25:50,810 --> 01:25:48,840
to believe that they are not gaining by

1803
01:25:53,870 --> 01:25:50,820
this testimony that they are simply

1804
01:25:56,900 --> 01:25:53,880
trying to tell what happened in the

1805
01:25:58,760 --> 01:25:56,910
paranormal I also believe the most the

1806
01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:58,770
most one of the most important sayings

1807
01:26:05,630 --> 01:26:01,920
in the paranormal is I know what I saw

1808
01:26:09,170 --> 01:26:05,640
that's it I know what I saw the reason

1809
01:26:12,020 --> 01:26:09,180
that's so important is because whenever

1810
01:26:15,110 --> 01:26:12,030
any eye witness whenever any person

1811
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:15,120
witnesses an experience there will be an

1812
01:26:24,410 --> 01:26:20,480
army of skeptics scientific thinkers of

1813
01:26:27,410 --> 01:26:24,420
doubters who will try to dislodge them

1814
01:26:29,930 --> 01:26:27,420
from the credibility of what they

1815
01:26:32,570 --> 01:26:29,940
believe and what they know that they

1816
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:32,580
went through and it's very important for

1817
01:26:37,850 --> 01:26:34,370
people to have confidence in themselves

1818
01:26:41,780 --> 01:26:37,860
to know that that know that their

1819
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:41,790
experience is valid regardless of their

1820
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:44,570
level of experience and education yes I

1821
01:26:50,420 --> 01:26:48,210
get that I totally get that so earlier I

1822
01:26:53,180 --> 01:26:50,430
mentioned to you or I asked you the

1823
01:26:57,020 --> 01:26:53,190
question was that was what was your

1824
01:26:59,060 --> 01:26:57,030
water skeptic strongest case against you

1825
01:27:00,680 --> 01:26:59,070
know the inter-dimensional theory or

1826
01:27:02,690 --> 01:27:00,690
whatever it is you would like to call it

1827
01:27:05,780 --> 01:27:02,700
so I guess what I'll ask you is what is

1828
01:27:12,050 --> 01:27:05,790
your strongest case that that is what is

1829
01:27:15,229 --> 01:27:12,060
happening my strongest case that that

1830
01:27:18,610 --> 01:27:15,239
alien visitors are not physical that

1831
01:27:22,700 --> 01:27:18,620
they are coming from somewhere else is

1832
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:22,710
the experience of clues and the patterns

1833
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:27,570
that seem to repeat over and over again

1834
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:31,890
in all of the cases in all of the most

1835
01:27:40,110 --> 01:27:34,290
famous cases that have

1836
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:40,120
where we see where we see that that the

1837
01:27:46,050 --> 01:27:43,210
alien visitors displayed qualities that

1838
01:27:50,460 --> 01:27:46,060
are not that enough physical that are

1839
01:27:52,770 --> 01:27:50,470
other other-dimensional in quality when

1840
01:27:55,410 --> 01:27:52,780
we see them we see them coming through

1841
01:27:59,220 --> 01:27:55,420
walls when we see them we see these

1842
01:28:01,770 --> 01:27:59,230
ships that appear like what happened

1843
01:28:03,480 --> 01:28:01,780
when the Travis Walton experience for

1844
01:28:05,220 --> 01:28:03,490
instance we say this should that

1845
01:28:07,470 --> 01:28:05,230
appeared that was about it appear to be

1846
01:28:11,070 --> 01:28:07,480
kind of plasmic in in it's nature's

1847
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:11,080
filled with light and he eventually was

1848
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:14,080
transported aboard the ship supposedly

1849
01:28:22,170 --> 01:28:18,850
and yet when he broke free of the his

1850
01:28:26,730 --> 01:28:22,180
captors and he started taking a tour his

1851
01:28:28,740 --> 01:28:26,740
tour inside the ship it led out into

1852
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:28,750
chambers that were enormous and

1853
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:33,250
structure really enormous and then he

1854
01:28:37,020 --> 01:28:35,530
went to another chamber that was even

1855
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:37,030
bigger than the one he just came from

1856
01:28:43,110 --> 01:28:40,570
and I kept that kept on happening when

1857
01:28:45,990 --> 01:28:43,120
it's in other words what he saw that

1858
01:28:49,620 --> 01:28:46,000
ship that he saw in three dimensional

1859
01:28:53,460 --> 01:28:49,630
space and it became something else when

1860
01:28:57,300 --> 01:28:53,470
he was inside of there so again little

1861
01:29:00,210 --> 01:28:57,310
clues like that we're not a repeated to

1862
01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:00,220
probe case the case case they keep on

1863
01:29:06,300 --> 01:29:03,760
repeating in many of the classic cases

1864
01:29:10,350 --> 01:29:06,310
where extra dimensional qualities are

1865
01:29:13,170 --> 01:29:10,360
displayed by either the UFOs or by the

1866
01:29:18,420 --> 01:29:13,180
alien visitors but here is the single

1867
01:29:24,290 --> 01:29:18,430
strongest case for extra dimensionality

1868
01:29:27,480 --> 01:29:24,300
it's this they're not here physically

1869
01:29:30,210 --> 01:29:27,490
alien visitors according to logic the

1870
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:30,220
age of the universe and the fact that

1871
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:32,560
there are civilization that there are

1872
01:29:39,420 --> 01:29:35,890
planets out there many planets out there

1873
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:39,430
there are that are of the age that that

1874
01:29:45,100 --> 01:29:43,210
they should have races that achieved

1875
01:29:48,430 --> 01:29:45,110
interstellar travel by

1876
01:29:52,060 --> 01:29:48,440
now then they should be in our physical

1877
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:52,070
time-space out there somewhere and they

1878
01:29:57,970 --> 01:29:55,730
should be here by now they should be

1879
01:30:00,790 --> 01:29:57,980
here not like peekaboo in the peekaboo

1880
01:30:02,500 --> 01:30:00,800
way like here we are all we're going to

1881
01:30:04,180 --> 01:30:02,510
visit one yard we're going to visit more

1882
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:04,190
and we're going to visit him in his

1883
01:30:08,169 --> 01:30:05,810
bedroom and then we're not going to talk

1884
01:30:10,209 --> 01:30:08,179
to anybody else going to take off not

1885
01:30:12,490 --> 01:30:10,219
like that but like a parade down Main

1886
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:12,500
Avenue they should be doing

1887
01:30:19,419 --> 01:30:16,330
open commerce and be physically

1888
01:30:22,180 --> 01:30:19,429
permanently here they should be on the

1889
01:30:26,100 --> 01:30:22,190
White House lawn and every other lawn

1890
01:30:29,379 --> 01:30:26,110
basically but that hasn't happened and

1891
01:30:32,609 --> 01:30:29,389
to me that is the strongest argument

1892
01:30:35,410 --> 01:30:32,619
that there's something non-physical

1893
01:30:37,990 --> 01:30:35,420
about alien visitors something very

1894
01:30:39,340 --> 01:30:38,000
non-physical that they came that the

1895
01:30:42,399 --> 01:30:39,350
only reason they wouldn't be here

1896
01:30:46,270 --> 01:30:42,409
physically permanently in large numbers

1897
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:46,280
doing commerce with us with human beings

1898
01:30:54,550 --> 01:30:50,449
is because they can it's because they're

1899
01:30:57,220 --> 01:30:54,560
not physical it's because they are extra

1900
01:31:02,470 --> 01:30:57,230
dimensional in nature well that's that's

1901
01:31:07,149 --> 01:31:02,480
interesting and I well to argue that

1902
01:31:11,229 --> 01:31:07,159
just a little bit you know why would you

1903
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:11,239
totally think that they would want to

1904
01:31:15,399 --> 01:31:13,730
show themselves or you know a lot of

1905
01:31:18,399 --> 01:31:15,409
people are speculating that they could

1906
01:31:21,310 --> 01:31:18,409
be just observing you know just

1907
01:31:23,379 --> 01:31:21,320
observing us as a culture and perhaps oh

1908
01:31:26,109 --> 01:31:23,389
yeah that would be you know that'll be

1909
01:31:29,649 --> 01:31:26,119
perfect that's what was occurring but

1910
01:31:32,500 --> 01:31:29,659
they're initiating contact regular basis

1911
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:32,510
they are doing abductions they are doing

1912
01:31:38,050 --> 01:31:35,449
all kinds of other contexts both well

1913
01:31:40,750 --> 01:31:38,060
negative experiences and benevolent

1914
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:40,760
experiences too so they are it's

1915
01:31:47,530 --> 01:31:44,210
definitely not just observed they are in

1916
01:31:50,530 --> 01:31:47,540
ok are involving themselves they are

1917
01:31:52,990 --> 01:31:50,540
sometimes showing up over as we saw in

1918
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:53,000
rentals in Rendlesham they are showing

1919
01:31:58,250 --> 01:31:56,010
up over look clear up where we have

1920
01:32:00,229 --> 01:31:58,260
we're weapons and shutting them down and

1921
01:32:03,290 --> 01:32:00,239
sometimes activating them shutting them

1922
01:32:06,290 --> 01:32:03,300
down they are in other words insinuating

1923
01:32:10,069 --> 01:32:06,300
themselves into our physical into our

1924
01:32:12,020 --> 01:32:10,079
physical world all the time so if it was

1925
01:32:14,330 --> 01:32:12,030
just okay we just want to observe and

1926
01:32:16,939 --> 01:32:14,340
not interfere then that's not happening

1927
01:32:18,649 --> 01:32:16,949
because they they are interfering they

1928
01:32:21,799 --> 01:32:18,659
interfered with Betty and Barney Hill

1929
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:21,809
they interviewed with Travis Walton they

1930
01:32:29,270 --> 01:32:24,570
interviewed with many many others over

1931
01:32:32,509 --> 01:32:29,280
the years so so yeah they are doing more

1932
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:32,519
than just observing and so it begs the

1933
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:34,650
question then why don't we just why

1934
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:37,170
don't they just show up in large numbers

1935
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:40,489
and just make their presence open and

1936
01:32:47,779 --> 01:32:44,610
open them continue and again it brings

1937
01:32:49,009 --> 01:32:47,789
me back to the same investigative

1938
01:32:50,870 --> 01:32:49,019
conclusion over and over again

1939
01:32:53,209 --> 01:32:50,880
it's because they can well that's

1940
01:32:57,620 --> 01:32:53,219
interesting Belinda from the chat room

1941
01:33:00,830 --> 01:32:57,630
wants to know if you think that we are

1942
01:33:05,270 --> 01:33:00,840
only physical beings we are the only

1943
01:33:08,109 --> 01:33:05,280
physical beings in the universe no

1944
01:33:13,729 --> 01:33:08,119
because she approached a very important

1945
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:13,739
topic is that no obviously we we are we

1946
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:16,050
are also we are spiritual creatures also

1947
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:18,570
and in a sense in a sense we're actually

1948
01:33:23,750 --> 01:33:21,210
dimensional on that sense also but yeah

1949
01:33:26,839 --> 01:33:23,760
I see what she's saying permanent

1950
01:33:30,169 --> 01:33:26,849
physical creatures in the universe at

1951
01:33:34,669 --> 01:33:30,179
this time that is that is the conclusion

1952
01:33:38,930 --> 01:33:34,679
that I have led to that we human beings

1953
01:33:42,649 --> 01:33:38,940
are the only permanently physical

1954
01:33:45,049 --> 01:33:42,659
creatures in this time-space yeah that's

1955
01:33:47,979 --> 01:33:45,059
that's how I see it that's actually

1956
01:33:52,790 --> 01:33:47,989
exactly how I see it and I realize how

1957
01:33:54,799 --> 01:33:52,800
crazy that seems to people who will sit

1958
01:33:57,290 --> 01:33:54,809
and look out at night sky and see

1959
01:34:00,140 --> 01:33:57,300
hundreds of billions and quadrillions of

1960
01:34:03,169 --> 01:34:00,150
stars and star systems out there in our

1961
01:34:05,389 --> 01:34:03,179
physical time-space and they will not

1962
01:34:08,540 --> 01:34:05,399
may no not be happy to hear

1963
01:34:12,139 --> 01:34:08,550
at all but it's the the conclusion I

1964
01:34:13,759 --> 01:34:12,149
keep being led over and over again I'll

1965
01:34:15,979 --> 01:34:13,769
have to disagree with you on that I mean

1966
01:34:18,409 --> 01:34:15,989
that's that's not how I feel I feel that

1967
01:34:20,659 --> 01:34:18,419
it's almost impossible and most of that

1968
01:34:23,379 --> 01:34:20,669
must be picked up something couldn't

1969
01:34:26,270 --> 01:34:23,389
evolve with all the possibilities of

1970
01:34:29,209 --> 01:34:26,280
billions but anyway

1971
01:34:32,419 --> 01:34:29,219
almost almost impossible most people

1972
01:34:34,399 --> 01:34:32,429
would say absolutely impossible well it

1973
01:34:38,839 --> 01:34:34,409
yeah there were a lot of things that

1974
01:34:41,750 --> 01:34:38,849
came to the way we evolved a course but

1975
01:34:45,709 --> 01:34:41,760
it just seems like that magic could

1976
01:34:48,770 --> 01:34:45,719
happen multiple times in over you know

1977
01:34:50,750 --> 01:34:48,780
many periods of times and also for you

1978
01:34:54,290 --> 01:34:50,760
know two different civilizations to line

1979
01:34:58,330 --> 01:34:54,300
up in a certain time is a you know is

1980
01:35:07,189 --> 01:35:04,549
so if if we does that mean we we

1981
01:35:09,919 --> 01:35:07,199
shouldn't travel to try to explore we

1982
01:35:11,569 --> 01:35:09,929
shouldn't be doing SETI you know look to

1983
01:35:13,909 --> 01:35:11,579
see if there's radio signals out there

1984
01:35:17,209 --> 01:35:13,919
do you think it's all a waste of time in

1985
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:17,219
your opinion well people waste their

1986
01:35:22,159 --> 01:35:20,010
time all the time it happens happens

1987
01:35:25,159 --> 01:35:22,169
constantly and I don't think that's

1988
01:35:27,009 --> 01:35:25,169
about to stop because people have their

1989
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:27,019
agendas that they want to pursue and

1990
01:35:33,319 --> 01:35:30,530
they should do whatever makes them happy

1991
01:35:37,009 --> 01:35:33,329
but yeah of course I believe that's

1992
01:35:40,069 --> 01:35:37,019
waste time and if they've been running

1993
01:35:41,989 --> 01:35:40,079
for quite a while to say and if there

1994
01:35:43,639 --> 01:35:41,999
was something they would have perceived

1995
01:35:46,009 --> 01:35:43,649
I think they would have perceived by now

1996
01:35:47,899 --> 01:35:46,019
but that's like I said that's fine that

1997
01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:47,909
doesn't interfere with anything what

1998
01:35:55,219 --> 01:35:51,209
does what what is more upsetting

1999
01:35:57,979 --> 01:35:55,229
actually is the agenda for space travel

2000
01:36:01,549 --> 01:35:57,989
that we have and that's one of the

2001
01:36:06,739 --> 01:36:01,559
reasons why why it's so important for

2002
01:36:09,049 --> 01:36:06,749
the powers the powers in charge to stop

2003
01:36:11,419 --> 01:36:09,059
any thought any thoughts of extra

2004
01:36:15,409 --> 01:36:11,429
dimensional extra dimensionally because

2005
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:15,419
the idea of physical aliens is wrapped

2006
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:17,930
up into so many things like setting

2007
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:21,530
and also an also space travel the

2008
01:36:29,650 --> 01:36:26,210
importance of space travel of sending

2009
01:36:34,020 --> 01:36:29,660
young generations of our people out into

2010
01:36:37,930 --> 01:36:34,030
space to go travel to go find I guess

2011
01:36:41,110 --> 01:36:37,940
alien races that are supposedly out

2012
01:36:42,460 --> 01:36:41,120
there and you know the I don't believe

2013
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:42,470
that they're out there but there's this

2014
01:36:49,540 --> 01:36:46,250
huge agenda to have space travel become

2015
01:36:52,510 --> 01:36:49,550
this this incredibly important thing to

2016
01:36:56,410 --> 01:36:52,520
become like the new the new paradigm of

2017
01:36:58,870 --> 01:36:56,420
our of the future generations and if you

2018
01:37:01,150 --> 01:36:58,880
want to know what I'm talking about just

2019
01:37:03,550 --> 01:37:01,160
look at this up there's a movie that

2020
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:03,560
came out called passengers it was a

2021
01:37:08,020 --> 01:37:06,530
Christopher Pratt movie passengers I

2022
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:08,030
don't really see any reason for that

2023
01:37:14,140 --> 01:37:12,050
movie except to glorify sending

2024
01:37:17,230 --> 01:37:14,150
generations of our young people out into

2025
01:37:19,690 --> 01:37:17,240
space oh yes but the powers I saw that

2026
01:37:22,210 --> 01:37:19,700
yeah kind of II know yep did you okay

2027
01:37:25,150 --> 01:37:22,220
yeah I saw it and I was very puzzled by

2028
01:37:28,900 --> 01:37:25,160
it until I realized that it's part of

2029
01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:28,910
this agenda to make space travel to

2030
01:37:35,110 --> 01:37:31,280
pre-program us to make space travel

2031
01:37:39,430 --> 01:37:35,120
being the great JFK mission of our

2032
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:39,440
generation and so and I don't think I

2033
01:37:44,650 --> 01:37:41,810
don't think there's anything out there I

2034
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:44,660
really don't know not anything not

2035
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:48,410
anything alive like us because if it

2036
01:37:53,470 --> 01:37:49,970
were I think it would be here already

2037
01:37:55,510 --> 01:37:53,480
but still that agenda is very important

2038
01:37:57,940 --> 01:37:55,520
because it also is tied up to

2039
01:38:01,180 --> 01:37:57,950
weaponizing to what Verner von Braun

2040
01:38:03,430 --> 01:38:01,190
talked about the final great the final

2041
01:38:06,100 --> 01:38:03,440
great fake war that also is very

2042
01:38:09,370 --> 01:38:06,110
important for the elite powers in charge

2043
01:38:11,590 --> 01:38:09,380
where they want to weaponize outer space

2044
01:38:13,900 --> 01:38:11,600
they want to talk about these physical

2045
01:38:16,060 --> 01:38:13,910
alien visitors that are going to invade

2046
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:16,070
us that are going to invade us and we

2047
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:18,320
need to weaponize all of space and then

2048
01:38:23,290 --> 01:38:20,930
ultimately of course we'll have weapons

2049
01:38:25,330 --> 01:38:23,300
all circling around the earth but those

2050
01:38:28,300 --> 01:38:25,340
weapons will eventually be turned inward

2051
01:38:30,710 --> 01:38:28,310
towards the earth and the powers in

2052
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:30,720
charge will achieve a level

2053
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:33,570
control that no one has ever seen well

2054
01:38:40,340 --> 01:38:37,770
you know arthur c clarke of his one of

2055
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:40,350
his quotes was two possibilities exist

2056
01:38:46,850 --> 01:38:42,810
either we are alone in the universe or

2057
01:38:51,470 --> 01:38:46,860
we are not both are equally terrifying I

2058
01:38:55,010 --> 01:38:51,480
always loved that oh that's very good

2059
01:38:59,600 --> 01:38:55,020
yeah and we are we are definitely not

2060
01:39:04,540 --> 01:38:59,610
alone but we are in a sense also and

2061
01:39:07,550 --> 01:39:04,550
it's it's not up it's not a bad thing

2062
01:39:10,010 --> 01:39:07,560
because you know we have alien visitors

2063
01:39:13,460 --> 01:39:10,020
are coming in and out of here constantly

2064
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:13,470
but our physical space I don't I don't

2065
01:39:18,170 --> 01:39:14,970
believe there's anything out there

2066
01:39:20,660 --> 01:39:18,180
okay um Steve wants to know that it's a

2067
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:20,670
little bit off of the UFO topic but

2068
01:39:25,810 --> 01:39:22,850
Steve wants to know about giant

2069
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:25,820
elongated skulls of what I don't know

2070
01:39:33,020 --> 01:39:29,330
what exactly how that fits into this but

2071
01:39:35,990 --> 01:39:33,030
um yeah I believe a lot of those are

2072
01:39:39,010 --> 01:39:36,000
tied up into are tied up into the

2073
01:39:41,990 --> 01:39:39,020
ancient alien races that were here

2074
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:42,000
physically and pretty permanently in

2075
01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:45,570
like I said before recorded history back

2076
01:39:51,500 --> 01:39:48,330
back in the time of the Anunnaki and

2077
01:39:53,510 --> 01:39:51,510
other alien races that were here and I

2078
01:39:55,690 --> 01:39:53,520
believe that throughout our solar system

2079
01:39:59,240 --> 01:39:55,700
as well as we see traces of

2080
01:40:02,450 --> 01:39:59,250
civilizations even on Mars on the moon

2081
01:40:05,540 --> 01:40:02,460
so you know I bleed elongated skulls are

2082
01:40:08,300 --> 01:40:05,550
the ones that have been retained the

2083
01:40:11,780 --> 01:40:08,310
ones that are obviously not just not

2084
01:40:14,420 --> 01:40:11,790
just bound humans that just created

2085
01:40:20,060 --> 01:40:14,430
their own their own elongated skulls to

2086
01:40:22,430 --> 01:40:20,070
uh to imitate the alien races but yeah I

2087
01:40:25,910 --> 01:40:22,440
think that's part of the time those

2088
01:40:29,180 --> 01:40:25,920
skulls the ones that are really have a

2089
01:40:32,420 --> 01:40:29,190
higher volume of brain mass those are

2090
01:40:35,690 --> 01:40:32,430
part of the before recorded history what

2091
01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:35,700
alien races had no problem being in our

2092
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:38,639
in our solar system in our

2093
01:40:43,050 --> 01:40:41,050
because permanently as they want so do

2094
01:40:46,850 --> 01:40:43,060
you think at that time we were seeded is

2095
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:46,860
that what your I heard you say Anunnaki

2096
01:40:53,820 --> 01:40:50,530
yeah the Anunnaki I'm just referring to

2097
01:40:57,180 --> 01:40:53,830
the time before the time before our

2098
01:41:00,240 --> 01:40:57,190
recorded history when when we know that

2099
01:41:02,399 --> 01:41:00,250
alien races were present throughout our

2100
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:02,409
civilization throughout our civilization

2101
01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:05,050
maybe on other planets in our solar

2102
01:41:11,970 --> 01:41:08,170
system as well so I just use Anunnaki to

2103
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:11,980
refer to that period in general right I

2104
01:41:16,709 --> 01:41:14,170
don't I don't go any further than that

2105
01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:16,719
in terms of thinking about seeding and

2106
01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:18,489
so forth okay

2107
01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:21,250
now you mentioned earlier we talked a

2108
01:41:25,709 --> 01:41:22,449
little bit about you know the

2109
01:41:27,859 --> 01:41:25,719
possibility of the missing people but

2110
01:41:32,010 --> 01:41:27,869
would you consider any other

2111
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:32,020
unexplainable or paranormal events so

2112
01:41:39,570 --> 01:41:34,330
totally related to this extra

2113
01:41:43,500 --> 01:41:39,580
dimensional theory of yours yeah

2114
01:41:47,339 --> 01:41:43,510
absolutely I mean there are there are

2115
01:41:50,040 --> 01:41:47,349
always events that uh just that cannot

2116
01:41:52,850 --> 01:41:50,050
be explained cannot be approached and

2117
01:41:56,669 --> 01:41:52,860
that people just don't don't really know

2118
01:41:59,010 --> 01:41:56,679
what what they really represent no

2119
01:42:02,839 --> 01:41:59,020
matter what so you know there was a

2120
01:42:07,379 --> 01:42:02,849
there was an incident in the Ural mouths

2121
01:42:10,709 --> 01:42:07,389
that that I believe do you have have you

2122
01:42:14,129 --> 01:42:10,719
got love past incident is that I

2123
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:14,139
pronounce it this yet again it's a

2124
01:42:19,410 --> 01:42:15,760
Russian name who's actually one of the

2125
01:42:21,180 --> 01:42:19,420
hikers so I've been saying dill atop all

2126
01:42:23,490 --> 01:42:21,190
this that sounds Russian incorrect uh

2127
01:42:25,350 --> 01:42:23,500
yeah I actually spent some time there

2128
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:25,360
and and but not in the Ural Mountains

2129
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:28,690
but I tried to get a hold of I did get a

2130
01:42:32,490 --> 01:42:30,730
hold of someone actually that lived

2131
01:42:33,750 --> 01:42:32,500
there that had researched the case but

2132
01:42:35,850 --> 01:42:33,760
he said his English was not good enough

2133
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:35,860
I was trying to try to get him on my

2134
01:42:42,629 --> 01:42:39,570
show that's a lot about having topic

2135
01:42:46,830 --> 01:42:42,639
because because that was that was a case

2136
01:42:50,399 --> 01:42:46,840
that I have been looking at and I cannot

2137
01:42:52,110 --> 01:42:50,409
get around the I cannot get around the

2138
01:42:54,570 --> 01:42:52,120
idea

2139
01:42:56,640 --> 01:42:54,580
that that had an extra dimensional

2140
01:42:58,020 --> 01:42:56,650
quality - I'm hearing some clicking you

2141
01:43:01,170 --> 01:42:58,030
know this pardon me I don't know if you

2142
01:43:06,150 --> 01:43:01,180
click on it but anyway yeah sorry yes I

2143
01:43:09,320 --> 01:43:06,160
was sorry and and so you know that was a

2144
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:09,330
case where we had all we had all these

2145
01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:11,610
that was a case where the only

2146
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:14,290
conclusion for people who don't know the

2147
01:43:22,710 --> 01:43:17,530
Dilla top iOS adulterer a dilettante

2148
01:43:25,950 --> 01:43:22,720
pass a case where we had where we had

2149
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:25,960
all these hikers who were in tents in

2150
01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:29,280
this valley between snowy mountains and

2151
01:43:35,790 --> 01:43:33,040
suddenly they just something happened to

2152
01:43:39,930 --> 01:43:35,800
them and they were it was a spread of

2153
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:39,940
the Soviet Union so the Soviets covered

2154
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:41,770
up tried to cover up as best they could

2155
01:43:47,340 --> 01:43:45,730
the situation but that is a case where I

2156
01:43:50,660 --> 01:43:47,350
believe there was something extra

2157
01:43:55,440 --> 01:43:50,670
dimensional I went on but something

2158
01:43:58,530 --> 01:43:55,450
completely not understood by by US by me

2159
01:44:01,950 --> 01:43:58,540
or anybody else because because all of

2160
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:01,960
these because the few clues that dig it

2161
01:44:05,970 --> 01:44:03,130
out because there were local

2162
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:05,980
investigators involved as well as well

2163
01:44:11,310 --> 01:44:09,130
as KGB and others and some of the little

2164
01:44:13,860 --> 01:44:11,320
details did get out in the few details

2165
01:44:18,780 --> 01:44:13,870
that got out of that affair tell us a

2166
01:44:23,100 --> 01:44:18,790
lot like the tents were ripped open from

2167
01:44:24,480 --> 01:44:23,110
the inside and it's so so people

2168
01:44:28,950 --> 01:44:24,490
speculate what could it have been

2169
01:44:31,860 --> 01:44:28,960
Bigfoot or Yeti or yah we creature that

2170
01:44:33,990 --> 01:44:31,870
but how could it because of course lack

2171
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:34,000
of footprints and they photograph they

2172
01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:36,010
photographed a lot of things out there

2173
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:39,130
these bodies were were crushed torn

2174
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:43,210
apart they were a massive head trauma

2175
01:44:48,180 --> 01:44:45,970
and some parts in some parts they were

2176
01:44:49,980 --> 01:44:48,190
ripped open these people robbed they did

2177
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:49,990
just just correct you they did find

2178
01:44:55,170 --> 01:44:52,810
prints that were very large prints but

2179
01:44:58,100 --> 01:44:55,180
footprints but there's also this thing

2180
01:45:01,170 --> 01:44:58,110
I'm sure you know as when things thaw

2181
01:45:02,820 --> 01:45:01,180
like a footprint can get really large so

2182
01:45:05,700 --> 01:45:02,830
they couldn't they couldn't understand

2183
01:45:08,130 --> 01:45:05,710
whether that was you know I

2184
01:45:10,020 --> 01:45:08,140
a possible Yeti type footprint or if

2185
01:45:13,410 --> 01:45:10,030
it's just you know it was later in the

2186
01:45:15,830 --> 01:45:13,420
season when they found it so so we

2187
01:45:19,350 --> 01:45:15,840
repeat yeah there's there somewhere I

2188
01:45:22,170 --> 01:45:19,360
saw that when I was really looking into

2189
01:45:24,090 --> 01:45:22,180
it and intensely but and then there's a

2190
01:45:26,700 --> 01:45:24,100
picture that looks like a possible Yeti

2191
01:45:28,490 --> 01:45:26,710
one of their last pictures also pictures

2192
01:45:32,910 --> 01:45:28,500
of lights there is speculation that

2193
01:45:35,670 --> 01:45:32,920
there was some type of bomb testing

2194
01:45:37,230 --> 01:45:35,680
going on and that was the reason why

2195
01:45:40,050 --> 01:45:37,240
they ran out of their tents for their

2196
01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:40,060
life you know half half clothed but

2197
01:45:46,650 --> 01:45:43,690
there's just so many strange things you

2198
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:46,660
know climbing the trees breaking all the

2199
01:45:53,010 --> 01:45:50,290
branches and then totally bashed up

2200
01:45:55,260 --> 01:45:53,020
really really bad mangled up pretty bad

2201
01:45:59,220 --> 01:45:55,270
so there's just so many things that

2202
01:46:00,240 --> 01:45:59,230
don't make any sense at all I totally

2203
01:46:05,610 --> 01:46:00,250
think that's one of the most fascinating

2204
01:46:08,700 --> 01:46:05,620
cases myself me too it's ER I mean but

2205
01:46:13,110 --> 01:46:08,710
to me a creature that's large let's stay

2206
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:13,120
like a Yeti or a Bigfoot I don't see how

2207
01:46:20,660 --> 01:46:17,170
they would get inside the tent in order

2208
01:46:23,610 --> 01:46:20,670
to in order to terrorize the person

2209
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:23,620
without knocking it over ripping it up

2210
01:46:28,740 --> 01:46:25,810
from the outside or something along

2211
01:46:30,810 --> 01:46:28,750
those lines that's why I say there had

2212
01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:30,820
to be some kind of extra dimensional

2213
01:46:36,420 --> 01:46:34,090
Ollie where something was transported

2214
01:46:39,630 --> 01:46:36,430
and appeared inside I see where you're

2215
01:46:42,060 --> 01:46:39,640
getting at okay yeah yeah because they

2216
01:46:43,530 --> 01:46:42,070
were burst oh right right yeah there was

2217
01:46:45,480 --> 01:46:43,540
a lot of speculation why they were

2218
01:46:48,030 --> 01:46:45,490
actually cut open from the inside with

2219
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:48,040
knife with a knife they sliced it open

2220
01:46:53,070 --> 01:46:49,930
to run so they got the heck out of there

2221
01:46:55,590 --> 01:46:53,080
fast that's for sure now now what that

2222
01:46:58,350 --> 01:46:55,600
means is they had a knife they had

2223
01:47:02,210 --> 01:46:58,360
knives in with them like all good hikers

2224
01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:02,220
or hunters should have and so whatever

2225
01:47:09,210 --> 01:47:05,250
appeared and I say appear can be very

2226
01:47:12,480 --> 01:47:09,220
very odd decidedly whatever appeared

2227
01:47:13,620 --> 01:47:12,490
inside their tent was so so horrifying

2228
01:47:15,540 --> 01:47:13,630
that

2229
01:47:18,570 --> 01:47:15,550
they decided not to use an iPhone

2230
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:18,580
because when you probably need to make a

2231
01:47:24,630 --> 01:47:21,370
dent so instead they use the knife to

2232
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:24,640
rip the text from the outside that's

2233
01:47:30,090 --> 01:47:26,410
very tell yeah and I don't know if that

2234
01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:30,100
will ever be solved you know the

2235
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:32,650
speculation on exactly what happened

2236
01:47:37,500 --> 01:47:35,530
because that's you know that's many

2237
01:47:41,010 --> 01:47:37,510
there's been many years and there's

2238
01:47:43,950 --> 01:47:41,020
hardly anyone around left that was there

2239
01:47:45,930 --> 01:47:43,960
at the time you know uh in the chat room

2240
01:47:51,390 --> 01:47:45,940
Bobby wants to know if you know anything

2241
01:47:56,970 --> 01:47:51,400
about Antarctica and UFOs Antarctica I

2242
01:47:58,550 --> 01:47:56,980
know I know a bit about what's going on

2243
01:48:02,160 --> 01:47:58,560
and the reason for that is because

2244
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:02,170
because I don't watch I don't listen to

2245
01:48:07,710 --> 01:48:04,090
anything coming out of mainstream news

2246
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:07,720
and instead and I create my own web

2247
01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:11,290
crawlers to crawl the web for anything

2248
01:48:17,820 --> 01:48:14,170
called Antarctica and to bring it back

2249
01:48:20,550 --> 01:48:17,830
to me and I immediately take the entire

2250
01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:20,560
mass of data and I eliminate anything

2251
01:48:24,930 --> 01:48:22,560
that has to do with environmental issues

2252
01:48:27,950 --> 01:48:24,940
because environmentally should has been

2253
01:48:30,300 --> 01:48:27,960
used to trim people at this point and

2254
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:30,310
then I take away anything that's

2255
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:33,690
political in nature and I'm left with

2256
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:36,730
communications between people about

2257
01:48:43,530 --> 01:48:39,010
what's happening on the ground and it

2258
01:48:46,530 --> 01:48:43,540
appears that in Antarctica for cup for

2259
01:48:49,380 --> 01:48:46,540
several years we've had some kind of

2260
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:49,390
secret project going on for quite a

2261
01:48:52,440 --> 01:48:49,930
while

2262
01:48:56,010 --> 01:48:52,450
and one of the phrases I keep getting

2263
01:48:58,290 --> 01:48:56,020
from communication to people because you

2264
01:48:59,700 --> 01:48:58,300
can't so we live now and age where

2265
01:49:01,500 --> 01:48:59,710
nothing can be kept secret

2266
01:49:03,930 --> 01:49:01,510
really the whole secrecy system is

2267
01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:03,940
pretty much obsolete that the nation is

2268
01:49:08,610 --> 01:49:06,690
used because everybody has their phones

2269
01:49:11,220 --> 01:49:08,620
you can make them sign this

2270
01:49:13,530 --> 01:49:11,230
non-disclosure as much as you want but

2271
01:49:16,050 --> 01:49:13,540
you can't take away their life that

2272
01:49:17,460 --> 01:49:16,060
they're living on the ground and they

2273
01:49:20,190 --> 01:49:17,470
have their phones so they communicate

2274
01:49:21,900 --> 01:49:20,200
with people back home with families

2275
01:49:22,479 --> 01:49:21,910
they're allowed to talk about what's

2276
01:49:25,229 --> 01:49:22,489
happening

2277
01:49:28,239 --> 01:49:25,239
their lives and to what we've seen

2278
01:49:29,919 --> 01:49:28,249
everything keeps coming back keep

2279
01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:29,929
getting the message over and over again

2280
01:49:36,310 --> 01:49:32,690
they they found Atlantis

2281
01:49:40,509 --> 01:49:36,320
they found Atlantis what that means I

2282
01:49:42,310 --> 01:49:40,519
don't know exactly but they're now in

2283
01:49:46,239 --> 01:49:42,320
the midst of building an infrastructure

2284
01:49:48,790 --> 01:49:46,249
there that is the equivalent of a small

2285
01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:48,800
city they have carriers you can go on

2286
01:49:54,430 --> 01:49:51,170
Google Earth and you can see that there

2287
01:49:57,549 --> 01:49:54,440
are carriers coming in and out like

2288
01:49:59,859 --> 01:49:57,559
cargo ships at a number at a number

2289
01:50:02,200 --> 01:49:59,869
that's unbelievable

2290
01:50:05,310 --> 01:50:02,210
it's an unbelievable number of ships

2291
01:50:08,379 --> 01:50:05,320
that are coming out in and out of that

2292
01:50:10,629 --> 01:50:08,389
what you call that peninsula area where

2293
01:50:14,439 --> 01:50:10,639
everybody where everybody goes into a

2294
01:50:15,939 --> 01:50:14,449
Targa cover and it's amazing how much

2295
01:50:18,700 --> 01:50:15,949
infrastructure they are building right

2296
01:50:21,700 --> 01:50:18,710
now it's almost like they're building a

2297
01:50:23,649 --> 01:50:21,710
medium-sized city at this point and all

2298
01:50:26,379 --> 01:50:23,659
the major government all the major

2299
01:50:30,790 --> 01:50:26,389
contractors are there and if anyone is

2300
01:50:33,989 --> 01:50:30,800
out of work that is looking for any type

2301
01:50:37,120 --> 01:50:33,999
of work they are hiring and at

2302
01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:37,130
Antarctica and they are hiring every

2303
01:50:43,239 --> 01:50:39,170
level of skill and non skilled labor

2304
01:50:45,939 --> 01:50:43,249
they're hiring clouds of workers and it

2305
01:50:48,870 --> 01:50:45,949
is because they have found something and

2306
01:50:52,450 --> 01:50:48,880
they are building an infrastructure

2307
01:50:53,200 --> 01:50:52,460
towards this thing it may be in maybe in

2308
01:50:57,399 --> 01:50:53,210
the Inner Earth

2309
01:50:59,319 --> 01:50:57,409
it may be an entire civilization that

2310
01:51:01,500 --> 01:50:59,329
they found now some people are saying

2311
01:51:06,069 --> 01:51:01,510
it's it's a flash-frozen

2312
01:51:09,580 --> 01:51:06,079
civilization I think it could be a life

2313
01:51:12,549 --> 01:51:09,590
functioning a civilization that is that

2314
01:51:14,890 --> 01:51:12,559
they found beneath the ice but whenever

2315
01:51:18,850 --> 01:51:14,900
they found they are trying to keep it

2316
01:51:20,770 --> 01:51:18,860
still quiet they are having they are

2317
01:51:24,580 --> 01:51:20,780
having politicians and religious leaders

2318
01:51:28,390 --> 01:51:24,590
go visit come and visit and that's going

2319
01:51:30,430 --> 01:51:28,400
to go on for a while but now the game

2320
01:51:32,209 --> 01:51:30,440
has been almost really blown out of the

2321
01:51:34,669 --> 01:51:32,219
water because Putin

2322
01:51:37,009 --> 01:51:34,679
now announced that he is going to

2323
01:51:40,069 --> 01:51:37,019
Antarctica which they didn't want they

2324
01:51:41,540 --> 01:51:40,079
didn't want or leaders to go and visit

2325
01:51:43,189 --> 01:51:41,550
because it makes it much harder to keep

2326
01:51:45,259 --> 01:51:43,199
a secret of what's called a Dobby just

2327
01:51:52,399 --> 01:51:45,269
that they just build a major base in the

2328
01:51:56,390 --> 01:51:52,409
Arctic Russia did yeah it's in the North

2329
01:51:59,740 --> 01:51:56,400
Pole basically well it's not just Russia

2330
01:52:04,189 --> 01:51:59,750
now all the major five powers are there

2331
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:04,199
England the United States France also

2332
01:52:10,009 --> 01:52:07,650
China and of course Russia and so they

2333
01:52:13,069 --> 01:52:10,019
are all now they are all jockeying for

2334
01:52:17,450 --> 01:52:13,079
position because apparently there is a

2335
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:17,460
great treasure trove that is basically I

2336
01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:20,130
think this is this is what people are

2337
01:52:25,250 --> 01:52:22,170
speculating there's a treasure trove of

2338
01:52:27,350 --> 01:52:25,260
alien technology that is there and the

2339
01:52:30,169 --> 01:52:27,360
five powers are basically jockeying to

2340
01:52:33,290 --> 01:52:30,179
make sure each of them gets their share

2341
01:52:35,779 --> 01:52:33,300
of it and they are fighting not well

2342
01:52:38,149 --> 01:52:35,789
fighting there they are basically

2343
01:52:40,819 --> 01:52:38,159
struggling for a position to make sure

2344
01:52:43,310 --> 01:52:40,829
that they each get what they are

2345
01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:43,320
supposed to get out of that might I

2346
01:52:48,109 --> 01:52:46,050
believe that I believe the trunk will be

2347
01:52:50,629 --> 01:52:48,119
announcing that he will be visiting very

2348
01:52:51,979 --> 01:52:50,639
soon really Wow ah but you won't know

2349
01:52:53,799 --> 01:52:51,989
because you don't pay attention to

2350
01:52:56,660 --> 01:52:53,809
politics

2351
01:52:58,430 --> 01:52:56,670
well I still I just go through all

2352
01:53:00,049 --> 01:52:58,440
charter so I'm just giving you a hard

2353
01:53:04,310 --> 01:53:00,059
time I thought because it seems like

2354
01:53:06,859 --> 01:53:04,320
that's all the news is these days now we

2355
01:53:10,430 --> 01:53:06,869
only have about three or four minutes

2356
01:53:12,799 --> 01:53:10,440
left so can you go just talk about your

2357
01:53:15,020 --> 01:53:12,809
book a little bit and you know where

2358
01:53:20,930 --> 01:53:15,030
someone can find it and all that and

2359
01:53:25,700 --> 01:53:20,940
your website too sure my my book the

2360
01:53:28,609 --> 01:53:25,710
power invested and also my think the

2361
01:53:31,850 --> 01:53:28,619
extra dimensionals is available they are

2362
01:53:36,380 --> 01:53:31,860
available on Amazon and my website is

2363
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:36,390
John my website is John Tama

2364
01:53:47,090 --> 01:53:44,090
XCOM tamo tee-am a and that is available

2365
01:53:50,150 --> 01:53:47,100
through my through my website ends well

2366
01:53:55,210 --> 01:53:50,160
as long I was on like I said also I will

2367
01:53:58,940 --> 01:53:55,220
be appearing at contact in the desert

2368
01:54:00,530 --> 01:53:58,950
contact in the desert which will be

2369
01:54:05,510 --> 01:54:00,540
coming up this low it's this weekend

2370
01:54:08,660 --> 01:54:05,520
already Wow yeah yeah it is it is here

2371
01:54:13,190 --> 01:54:08,670
it is a long time coming and it is

2372
01:54:16,790 --> 01:54:13,200
finally here so I am very honored to be

2373
01:54:18,020 --> 01:54:16,800
appearing there with speaking of one of

2374
01:54:22,670 --> 01:54:18,030
the theories that we were talking about

2375
01:54:27,110 --> 01:54:22,680
with people like a Graham Hancock David

2376
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:27,120
Wilcock many many other great thinkers

2377
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:29,970
of Senator Mike Rucker well we'll be

2378
01:54:36,920 --> 01:54:33,570
there the men who fought for our

2379
01:54:38,900 --> 01:54:36,930
democracy and pretty much stopped the

2380
01:54:42,140 --> 01:54:38,910
Vietnam War almost single-handedly he

2381
01:54:45,320 --> 01:54:42,150
released the Pentagon Papers and he will

2382
01:54:48,440 --> 01:54:45,330
be a contact in the desert that's uh

2383
01:54:52,220 --> 01:54:48,450
that's pretty amazing dr. Steven Greer

2384
01:54:54,740 --> 01:54:52,230
will also be there and Eric Ben Donegan

2385
01:54:57,440 --> 01:54:54,750
chariots um yes yeah I had him on the

2386
01:55:01,550 --> 01:54:57,450
show a few years ago he's a real

2387
01:55:03,830 --> 01:55:01,560
character a real nice guy fun fun all

2388
01:55:06,050 --> 01:55:03,840
right well hey thanks so much it's been

2389
01:55:08,390 --> 01:55:06,060
it's been a real pleasure interesting

2390
01:55:11,870 --> 01:55:08,400
and good luck with your excuse me good

2391
01:55:14,360 --> 01:55:11,880
luck with your book oh thank you so much

2392
01:55:17,420 --> 01:55:14,370
for your you're an excellent treasure

2393
01:55:21,140 --> 01:55:17,430
yeah good I'll take that as a compliment

2394
01:55:24,610 --> 01:55:21,150
I guess alright did right you take care

2395
01:55:27,620 --> 01:55:24,620
thank you alright just like you know

2396
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:27,630
alright everyone so that's it for the

2397
01:55:32,270 --> 01:55:29,850
show hey just to let someone know if

2398
01:55:38,180 --> 01:55:32,280
they wanted to call in real quick they

2399
01:55:40,570 --> 01:55:38,190
can at 6:03 967 403 oh I can take that

2400
01:55:43,730 --> 01:55:40,580
call if you'd like to call in right now

2401
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:43,740
but that's it for the show this evening

2402
01:55:50,100 --> 01:55:48,570
next week we have a Don ledger in

2403
01:55:52,890 --> 01:55:50,110
old-time UFO

2404
01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:52,900
searcher up in Canada he's going to be

2405
01:55:57,360 --> 01:55:54,970
talking about shag harbour now I had him

2406
01:55:59,490 --> 01:55:57,370
on several years ago when I first

2407
01:56:02,430 --> 01:55:59,500
started the show so it's been a long

2408
01:56:04,550 --> 01:56:02,440
time he's going to come back so that

2409
01:56:06,780 --> 01:56:04,560
will be good you know I forget about I

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asked if someone wanted to call because

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we have a couple minutes left but I also

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forgot the fact that there's a huge

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delay on YouTube so by the time someone

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would call me the show will be over on

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my end so anyway I want to thank

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everyone that helps out with the show

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also you can catch the show live every

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Wednesday at 8:00 8:00 to 10:00 p.m.

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Eastern Standard Time you can catch that

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through YouTube or right on our home

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page on podcast UFO calm

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I want to thank Peggy shunning for

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helping out with our Facebook page we

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have over 23,000 people active on that

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so if you like to like us on Facebook

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she posts things mostly to do with UFOs

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01:57:00,380 --> 01:56:58,360
but also science astronomy all that so

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we'd love for you to like us on our

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Facebook page it's Facebook at podcast

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UFO however that URL is the icons on our

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website as well we're also on Twitter I

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never think I don't think I've ever

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mentioned that but we were also on

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Twitter on podcast UFO and I also want

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to thank Keith Roland over at the Dark

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Matter digital network

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he plays our full shows on Thursday

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nights and I want to thank Phil for

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helping out tonight in the chatroom it

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was uh it was great he kind of went

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through the questions so I could

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concentrate more on the guests and so

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that is it for the show this evening I

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want to thank everyone that hung in

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there and listened live and were

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participating in the chatroom and we

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will be back next week remember to keep